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Shift 2003 Chat on Nov 30, 2002

Session Start: Sat Nov 30 14:24:47 2002
(Ukrainian) Thanks Obany
(MikeO) And of course, missiles fired at the Israeli jet. Israel took credit for deflecting them (gag me). I bet it was a little divine intervention, perhaps from the Council of Worlds.
(Starstalker) Hello, Nancy. Great Art Bell show!
(Tizza) So you can :)
(Tizza) Art Bell was good
(Obany) Yes, Art Bell was good
(TavliGal) hi Nancy, my first time on IRC with you all
(JFull) Hi Nancy, Great Art Bell
(Me) Ditto!
(Tizza) First time Ive listened...was worth it :0
(Cmel) it was fine the Art Bell show, nice interview
(Shaman464) made George alot less critical of the shift
(LadyInRed) I missed it :(
(Tizza) he still had a lot of reserve in his voice tho
(Monk) well mostly everything Nancy said I knew already
(Ukrainian) Nancy can I ask question ?
(Franci66) Is there any way to listen to Nancy's ArtBell interview?
(Monk) but it got alot more people knowing about the zetas and the poleshift
(JFull) George is a great interviewer
(QueenVee) Ukranian: You cannot ask a question now
(LadyInRed) yeah for a price I think lol
(Ukrainian) Ok..ok
(NancyL) ANNOUNCEMENT: New link on the ZetaTalk home page just under the Zeta Face re Forgery.
(NancyL) There are three types referenced, with detail.
(NancyL) 1. Recent Usenet forgery of and Nancy Lieder, and obvious forgery but illegal none the less, and how to identify them (I did complain to the
(NancyL) 2. Recently became aware that has purchased zetatalk.ORG and zetatalk.NET, ilegal as zetatalk is TradeMark protected.
(NancyL) 3. An older page re virus spoofing, which makes it seem that email is COMING from the very popular address.
(NancyL) ANNOUNCEMENT: Planet X now has a visible TAIL, in the images and pixel analysis
(NancyL) ANNOUNCEMENT: Just got the Safe Locations PDF and web links updated with the promised new locations writeups, sorry to be late.
(Obany) NancyL: I noticed that posting, it was a bout a kool aid party, realy realy stupid posting
(NancyL) Obany, obvious forgery as anyone knows I would not write that, but illegal nonetheless.
(QueenVee) ANNOUNCEMENT: Nancy has a set of pre-submitted questions that she will be answering. Moderation mode will be on while Nancy is speaking (i.e. no one else may speak), but follow-up questions, comments will be allowed.
(NancyL) Thanks for the compliments about George Noory interview, and as this Q is on the list Queen forwarded to me, I will answer that first. Seems on everyone's mind.
(NancyL) Ready to start as I think we are on the hour here ... right?
(Obany) Yes, it was obvious from the headers in the posting, but I agree it's a forgery
(Obany) right
(Zetapal) 1,1. 4,1~~* 11,1.o 8,1O
(QueenVee) Right, Nancy. Ready to start.
(NancyL) 1. Could the zetas comment on their recent appearance on Coast to Coast in terms of the pace of the Awakening and Transformation -- do they view the interview as a success, did the message reach a lot of people?
(NancyL) ZT: The Coast to Coast radio show, reaching on their estimate some 20 million listeners, has long been viewed as a way to spread disinformation AND information by the establishment.
(NancyL) ZT: During the Hale-Bopp episode, Art Bell could be counted upon to echo the establishment/NASA line, which he did, being none the wiser as to his role in spreading disinformation.
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, he regularly had on Ed Dames, a former CIA agent, and Hazelwood, the son of a close frient of Art's, also none the wiser that disinformation was or is being spread.
(NancyL) ZT: To Art, or George for that matter, who are not personally privy to information sources nor themselves contactees, one wild line is the same as another, and the issue is keeping the audience rapt and coming back for more.
(NancyL) ZT: But Art began to notice the relationship to earth changes and prophecy, which was evident to the regular listener who caught him repeatedly bringing the subject up.
(NancyL) ZT: Still, since quakes and weather and even Global Warming or periodic climate changes are cited by the establishement as within normal swings, he did not buy into the Planet X and 2003 pole shift theory at all.
(NancyL) ZT: George on the other hand is a more logical individual, as Nancy noted during her interview.
(NancyL) ZT: He laid the information out for the audience, in a logical progression, as this is how his mind works!
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, for himself personally and for the audience, they were arriving at the logical conclusions.
(NancyL) ZT: Both Art and George do NOT entirely chose their subject matter, nor their hosts.
(NancyL) ZT: It should be no surprise for those working in large corporations, or major media, or working within clubs or associations, strings can and are pulled, though this is denied.
(NancyL) ZT: In a large corporation, a CEO may pronounce a decision as his alone, when in fact the phone wires were burning with activity just prior to the announcement.
(NancyL) ZT: In the major media, top executive and even major stockholders hold the calling card, can squelch a planned documentary or SUGGEST subject matter.
(NancyL) ZT: All the while, the host is claiming these are matters solely in their hands.
(NancyL) ZT: And likewise, something as simple as pillow talk, or a golfing buddy making a tangental request, can result in a change in agenda.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, both Art and George were asked to address the Planet X issue, and George was asked to revisit this repeatedly as it is a hot internet item.
(NancyL) ZT: By his closing remarks, George indicated he felt he would be having Nancy back in May 2003, to explain a failure, but this will soon change to a frequenty, perhaps even weekly, schedule.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(QueenVee) Follow up questions can be asked now
(Starstalker) link to download ArtBell interview is
(QueenVee) so, do the zetas see the interview as a success, Nancy?
(Fetus) so as signs become overwhelming...the zeta message will become stronger in the major media?
(QueenVee) is it reaching the right people?
(Shaman464) to support taht Nancy George has said many times that he has no intrest in PX the pole shift and wouldnt want to talk to anyone on that subject
(MikeO) Why is the Art Bell show allowed to go to a true source, such as ZetaTalk, instead of a hack like Hazelwood? Is this an attempt by the establishment to get the true message out there, or is something else up their sleeve?
(EcclesP) Nancy: did I hear correctly on the radio show that there can be 1,000 to 1 million reincarnations for a soul?
(Starstalker) Did George ask for you to return to the show soon, Nancy?
(NancyL) ZT to Queen: In that diversions into talk about aliens and bald heads were not done, and in that the discussion stayed on topic and was not scuttled with artificial phone connection problems (designed to diminish Nancy's prior interview in comparison to Hazelwoods), yes.
(Obany) Is media attention to zetatalk also expected in other countries?
(NancyL) ZT: Little time was spend on the ZetaTalk accuracy track record, so Nancy has spend a lot of time on email pointing this out to the skeptical.
(NancyL) ZT: In future, we would like to see THIS issue given George's considerable logical analysis, as it is certainly due us, and ZetaTalk, and most importantly Nancy who has sacrificed so much for little respect.
(NancyL) End ZT to Queen.
(NancyL) Fetus, we expect so, but this is hands of man, again.
(NancyL) ZT to Queen: The Coast to Coast listnership is a gabby sort, which is why they burn the midnight oil listening to interesting gab.
(NancyL) ZT: As a result, the comments of the listeners get passed around a lot, and the grapevine being what it is, people at least are AWARE of our predictions, and the inbound planet being imaged.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, when this becomes the dominant obsession of all, due to seeing it in the skies, they will recall having heard about it, and go research!
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, it is expected to have reached 35% of the American and Canadian populace, indirectly, no small feat!
(NancyL) End ZT to Queen.
(EcclesP) George Nooney seemed to be taken back a bit when he realized that the population would decrease by 90 percent and not 90 million.
(Cmel) I agree with the zetas it was an excellent performance on Georges part
(Endeavour3d) EcclesP, why not? If someone doesn't learn the lessons they are supposed to learn in an incarnation that they were set to learn, would you skip that lesson and move to lesson 2? It would be like failing the 3rd grade but going to the 4th grade anyway
(NancyL) Well, that reach is because the weather and quakes have folks wondering to begin with, so they will REMEMBER and pass on the info, etc.
(NancyL) Eccles, number of incarnations can be quite high, yes, depending upon growth rate of the entity.
(NancyL) Star, at the end he was implying May 2003, but I suspect sooner.
(QueenVee) 35% is amazing
(NancyL) Obany, media attention in other countries has in fact been pretty good! At least to the level of US, which has been squelching.
(Endeavour3d) except maybe China and some of the Mid East
(Endeavour3d) oh not him again
(IdolHarobed) :)
(NancyL) In fact, were it not for the international reach, they would try a 100% squelch in US, but the internet comes INTO the US and thus it would look suspicously like a squelch :-)
(Alex) IdolHarobed opa
(Endeavour3d) not you, idol ;P
(IdolHarobed) ;)
(Endeavour3d) hehe
(IdolHarobed) Olá Alex!
(NancyL) Eccles, yes, I listened and I DID say 90% the first time, he just didn't hear that I guess.
(Alex) IdolHarobed :)
(IdolHarobed) Coincidences...
(Alex) eh.. hehe
(QueenVee) idol, Alex, and Endeavour: you will be kicked if you continue
(NancyL) OK, I'm taking Q2 ...
(Obany) Yes yes, that people from other countries now about it too, a good outreach
(NancyL) 1. Why have there been ongoing quakes in Alaska, and what is the significance of the recent swarm of East Bay area quakes in California
(NancyL) (see ?
(NancyL) ZT: We predicted at the start of ZetaTalk that quakes would continue to uptick, both in frequency and Richter, going into the shift, on a somewhat linear basis.
(NancyL) ZT: We also predicted that this would be underplayed by the establishment, quakes in remote areas simply not reported or quakes under reported.
(NancyL) ZT: This occurred during the past two years, when it was noticed that the Richter reported by the USGS was less by almost a Richter.
(NancyL) ZT: Then this year, 2002, it was noted that quakes were being dropped from the database altogether.
(NancyL) ZT: At the same time, should one take the overall pulse of quakes FROM the USGS database, it looked within normal bounds.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, while the increase was in the range of small Richter quakes, and not affecting large cities, the USGS et al could get away with this.
(NancyL) ZT: But there is a threashold, where the quakes are LARGE enough to be noticed, and it is at this point that the public woke up.
(NancyL) ZT: Were the swarm of quakes in San Francisco to be tiny, no one would even be aware there had been a swarm.
(NancyL) ZT: Were the Richter of quakes not on the uptick to be low, the uptick could still be under reported.
(NancyL) ZT: But the combination of LARGER Richter quakes, along with the increase in number, will not be overlooked by the public.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, this is not NEW, nor outside of what we have predicted, just noticable now.
(NancyL) ZT: The significance relates to the pattern Nancy noted and laid out in her analysis a month or so ago - the quakes not ONLY are now domino, or richocet, but are in a pattern that shows the plate push during the shift!
(NancyL) ZT: Nancy noted this in doing an anaylsis on large quakes, that not ONLY were neighboring plates bumped, but the bump showed shift previews.
(NancyL) ZT: A quake along Japan and Indonesia, which is compression of the Pacific related, did not only bump neighboring plates nearby, New Zealand, for instance.
(NancyL) ZT: They reached ACROSS the Pacific, within the same DAY, and caused a compression quake there, in Alaska, for instance.
(NancyL) ZT: The Pacific is already being compressed, although lightly compared to the shift results, but the weakness and route clearly showing.
(NancyL) ZT: What is happening along the West Coast is that the Pacific plate is NOT moving under in heated subduction, causing mountain building, but is pushing UP under Alaska, in the slip-slide motion known to be predominant on the West Coast of North America.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, those areas slipping and sliding now, along San Frnaciso and Oregon, are doing so, and will INCREASE in this activity.
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, the Atlantic, as the UK and East Coast are aware, is stretching already, showing signs that this will be the route taken by this Rift during the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: The African Rift is increasing in its lava oozing and quakes, and land bordering the Atlantic is finding their rail lines suddenly zigged or zagged.
(NancyL) Read again our explaination of the Scripted Drama, along with the graphic Nancy prepared, and compare this to the quakes now noticeable.
(NancyL) ZT: Is there not a relationship?
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(MikeO) Can the Zetas tell us the true magnitude (on the Richter scale) of the recent so-called 7.9 quake in Alaska?
(Phoenix) Why have there not been more tsunamis generated by the recent big quakes?
(JFull) Is San Francisco in imminet danger of a big quake fron this swarm of quakes in bay aria?
(Serbeo) will there be quakes on the east coast soon, i.e. new york city
(NancyL) Mike-O, I'll bet you'd get that if you went to the BBC :-). We will soon be having MOST of our quakes in the 6+ range, then MOST in the 7+ range, etc. and affecting places like the East Coast, and then no matter what they call them, it will be obviousl.
(NancyL) Phoenix, tsunamis are when an ocean plate drops or rises, and if slip-slide is the result, then a tsunamis would not result.
(LadyInRed) Nancy/Zeta, did a gravity wave hit earth on approx. the 24th or 25th of Nov. and cause a Time Wave or a Warp of Time and Space as some people think ?
(NancyL) No drop, no rise.
(AEI) What specific area will be affected on the East Coast (6+) and in one what time frame?
(Endeavour3d) out of all this, it's a miracle Humans survived at all
(Cmel) what are the effects of the Atlantic stretch in Europe ?
(Starstalker) MikeO: USGS/IRIS eventually listed the Alaska Quake as 8.5.
(NancyL) JFull, the Bay Area has been eminent for a LONG time, always, yes.
(NancyL) Serbeo, the Zetas cannot give date/place predictions, as they have explained.
(NancyL) But I will say this, I'd not be in a brick building in an old East Coast city, nor even in the cities if I could help it, myself.
(Phoenix) thank you
(Shaman464) will the New Madrid fault start up soon?
(NancyL) Lady, who said that stuff? 1. do they predict, 2 are they accurate, etc?
(LadyInRed) I was reading posts on the Hot sheet discusion boards
(Cmel) were in the midst of the session
(NancyL) CMel, re the stretch in Europe, just ask Jeremy - UK has sink holes appearing, for one.
(LadyInRed) and it was just questions
(Cmel) ok thx
(NancyL) Shaman, the Zetas cannot predict date/place, but Scallion, whom I have great respect for and who is NOT restricted as the Zetas are by rules, says so, yes, re New Madrid.
(NancyL) OK, going onto Q3 ...
(NancyL) 1. What are some of the dangers, during the poleshift itself, of storing fuels such as gas and kerosene for use in the aftertime? What is the safest way to store such fuels in order to avoid such dangers?
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that fossil fuels will soon run out, so should not be relied upon by survivors for the long term.
(NancyL) ZT: We have also stated that refineries and storage tanks of oil and natural gas and gasoline will be broken and set afire during the shift, creating a hollocaust for all nearby.
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise gasoline stations, fuel pumps, and even tighly sealed tanks may rupture and leak, also a continuing danger for any nearby.
(NancyL) ZT: Natural gaslines in streets will run fire ALONG the street, setting houses ablaze where they would otherwise not be in such danger.
(NancyL) ZT: Natural gas in lines under cities will cause explosions, setting the cities on fire and burning many trapped citizens in a painful death.
(NancyL) ZT: We would advise all to do what Nancy did, which is to turn OFF the natural gas lines in the house, turn off at the street, and avoid gas cans or anything that can explode.
(NancyL) ZT: What do you gain by a few cans of gas? A few hours of heat or light? And what do you stand to risk in exchange? Your life? A painful death to others?
(NancyL) ZT: Since you are going to have to adjust to life WITHOUT these explosive fuels in any case, and SOON, learn to get along without them!
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Ekim) If the atmosphere will be stripped away during the shift, how will things burn without oxygen?
(Phoenix) What might happen with large cross-country underground gas pipelines?
(NancyL) Ekim, this is not black and white.
(QueenVee) Nancy, thank you SO MUCH for that answers, which i can now pass on to others who ask about this...
(Milson) Re-enter
(NancyL) The atmosphere is stripped away, in PART, but not entirely, it is REDUCED.
(Shaman464) what about spent nuclear waste, will that spill?
(Howmo) What does Scallion say about PX in 2003?
(Ekim) Thank you
(Cmel) thats a good Q shaman
(QueenVee) Howmo: not relevant, please do not ask again
(Endeavour3d) who will clean everything up then? Will the cleanup be done after the density shift a century from now?
(NancyL) The oxygen is used up, in PART, by fire storms caused by chemicals in the air being passed over hot air from volcanoes, bonding petro chemicals in the air which can then light afire.
(NancyL) But not ALL the oxygen is used, it is used in PART.
(Howmo) Nancy just mentioned Scallion.
(EcclesP) In his Dec issue of IntuitiveFlash, Scallion talks of a new alternative energy to replace oil by the end of this decade. US govt developing and controlling it... the antipode of color and sound.
(QueenVee) Howmo: last warning
(NancyL) The Zetas have said that in a trench, or room, partly open to the air, you will NOT suffer from oxygen lack even if a fire storm happens overhead.
(Obany) you know Howmo what I have said to you ... don't disrupt
(NancyL) It is mankind, reading about fire storms, which talks about oxygen tanks and the like.
(Bailey) I strongly agree with not storing explosives, it has been on my mind a lot
(Bria) How would the pole shift feel when it happens? I am asking because of a vivid dream i had 8 years ago. Thank You
(Cmel) go ahead and repeat the question Shaman464
(NancyL) I personally think they are risky, as they can themselves explode and create a firestorm.
(Shaman464) what about spent nuclear waste, will that spill?
(QueenVee) Shaman: that question has already been answered in ZetaTalk
(Cmel) it has where?
(NancyL) Shaman, nuclear wastes is a gray area, as 1. it is currently in the hands of man, so may be contained or defused or whatever.
(NancyL) 2. at the time of the shift there MAY be some intervention depending on many factors, over which we have little control, personally.
(N18) Endeavour: Humans will try to clean the atmosphere anyway. It's best to come up with some methods now.
(NancyL) If I were you, if you were worried, I'd take ACTION and try to get those manning nuclear plants or bomb stores or whatever aware of what TRHEY can do, last minute.
(NancyL) Since this is our world, to destroy or preserve, if we get ACTIVE we are more likely to have alien help, behind the scenes.
(NancyL) So DO IT!
(JWilliam) shaman: ../poleshft/p23.htm
(Dave7) Take responsibility.
(NancyL) Bria, ask those who have lived through quakes. I read about San Fran in 1906, and a woman was walking across the yard, suddenly thrown several feet.
(NancyL) Also, after the 7.3 in San Fran in 1989, it was on the TV a lot (I and my husband moved there just after that)
(NancyL) They showed furniture walking across the room and such, also bridges waving up and down.
(NancyL) It was reported by drivers on the Golden Gate that they SUDDENLY found themselves in another lane!
(NancyL) Not too many accidents, they reported, as everyone was shocked and took their foot off the gas peddal :-).
(Cmel) no sh.. when everything shakes
(NancyL) You will notice the stars in the sky moving, but the effect on YOU will be the stoppage of motion, the quakes.
(Bria) In my dream, I felt the earth toss like a ship at sea... up-down and sideways and it was soo vivid
(NancyL) You will also notice the high wind, coming from the direction your plate is MOVING under the air mass.
(NancyL) And if where you can experience a flood tide, you will find the water just steadily rising, not stoppedin.
(NancyL) If in a building affected by flood tide, the water will rise up the window, up the next story, up past the roof, just steadily.
(Fred) during the shift, would it be better to be above ground, in a basement, in a cave, or buried in a shelter below ground?
(NancyL) More of less, that's the shift.
(Norman) Nancy, regarding location: can you say anything about what will happen with waterlevel in the fjords of Norway (on the eastern part)?
(QueenVee) Norman: if Nancy does not answer now, please email that question to me for next week's agenda
(NancyL) Bria, quakes can be horizontal or verical, yes.
(Norman) ok
(Bria) Thank you Nancy
(NancyL) Fred, my favorite is the trench, which means you are JUST under the surface, but nothing that can trap you is on top of you.
(NancyL) Metal or tin root laid flat on top of the trench, more than one escape route out so not trapped.
(NancyL) Or perhaps sod covered board, so sod holds it from blowing away.
(NancyL) If burried chamber, could get crushed or trapped.
(Bailey) ya ya kool
(NancyL) Basement might not be bad, but the house could fall down on you, likely will.
(Cmel) Norman don't you think the fjords would act like a funnel and make the waves go very very high ??
(Thunderoc) perhaps metal culverts like used for drainage in ditches?
(JFull) Will wind be a factor when roation stops? or not untill PS starts?
(NancyL) ZT to Norman: The fjords in Norway will find the water level dropping at first, during the week of rotation stoppage.
(Fred) thank you, Nancy.
(NancyL) ZT: Then during the shift, as the Atlantic rips, this will not create an increase in water level.
(NancyL) ZT: As we have described for the bay for Sweden and Estonia, sloshing will occur, with water rushing INTO and OUT OF the bay to and from the Atlantic.
(NancyL) ZT: The fjords are deep, and the cliffs along them steep, and in particular narrow.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, there may be tides running ALONG them, but sloshing from side to side is unlikely to be much.
(NancyL) ZT: Those at the ends of the fjords may need to worry about water rushing inland a bit.
(NancyL) End ZT to Norman.
(QueenVee) time for another question on the agenda, Nancy?
(NancyL) Hour is up, guys, and the 4:00 will start soon. I'll see anyone with continuing Q's there!
(NancyL) Bye! /quit
(Ukrainian) Dzetu govoryat po Russki ?
(Bailey) I am concerned about fire, not just in the city but in the sky and forests, dont know why exactly