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Shift 2003 Chat on Nov 23, 2002

Session Start: Sat Nov 23 14:24:57 2002
(Starstalker) Uh, QueenVee, did you receive my question????
(Bailey) my animals are acting strange today
(LadyInRed) well Texas is discussed but not any REAL specifics
(IdolHarobed) Obany: Sorry, what NOL stands for?
(Obany) IdolHarobed: a Dutch guy who is kinda anoying
(NancyL) Lady, Texas is well covered, more than MOST areas.
(NancyL) Several cities in Texas covered too.
(IdolHarobed) Obany: NOL is a nickname... I see. Thanks!
(LadyInRed) Sorry guess I didn't understand about regions above 1,000 ft sea level
(Obany) Are there also questions about areas in Europe?
(NancyL) SteveH :-) Expecting PX imaginq Q's next session, in #zetatalk, next hour.
(SteveH) Excellent!
(QueenVee) ANNOUNCEMENT: Please be aware that there were MANY questions this week about regions. Those already answered in zetatalk have not been included.
(NancyL) I think the TEAM (you guys) should consider the Moons and Dust a bit in pixel analysis, but not FAR afield, just close.
(NancyL) I'm ready QueenVee, when you are, to start.
(QueenVee) TEXAS: ZetaTalk already says the following about Texas
(Obany) !addtimedban z 120 temp ban
(QueenVee) "Texas, due to its flat terrain, will get more water overall than neighboring areas. Even the high plains will have several feet of water moving across it, where the coastal areas will have tidal waves hundreds of feet high...."
(QueenVee) "With few tall trees and faced with the after effects of hurricane force winds and earthquakes that will flatten all but new steel skyscrapers, desperate survivors will have few places to go to escape the moving sheet of water, which will drag whatever it engulfs back out into the Gulf on its return."
(QueenVee) QUESTION: Are there ANY areas of Texas -- specifically those areas in southwest Texas that are at least 1,000 ft above sea level -- that will escape flooding, or experience only minor flooding?
(QueenVee) end of question
(NancyL) ZT: Texas, due to its flat terrain, will ALLOW the force of water to move across it.
(NancyL) ZT: There is more to the level that water rises than simply water finding its level.
(NancyL) ZT: Tidal bore carried water UP-river in a rush, rising ABOVE the sea level with FORCE, for many miles.
(NancyL) ZT: Tidal bore carries water UP ravines, in some cases shooting almost straight UP, appearing in a gusher at the plateas overhead.
(NancyL) ZT: One factor to consider is the FORCE or pressure that water is under, and this is equivalent to the water higher, elsewhere.
(NancyL) ZT: This is the factor that allows cities to have tap water, due to water stored at a HIGH point in the vicinity, which then pushes out into pipes.
(NancyL) ZT: But the factor that will affect Texas is not this, is it the force that MOVING water has.
(NancyL) ZT: Water on the move does more than just push forward, it also creates a void behind it.
(NancyL) ZT: At first, this water is on the move BECAUSE there is presure behind it, like sloshing water in the Gulf.
(NancyL) ZT: But then, the force of this moving water takes on a life of its own.
(NancyL) ZT: It has momentum, and moving forward, creates a void behind it, thus DRAWING the water in the direction of motion, thus continuing the motion.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, rolling across the flat low lands of Texas, and moving hundreds of miles inland, on a roll, it does not simply STOP when it starts to reach foothills.
(NancyL) ZT: Why would it stop? Because the overall elevation is more than the sea level?
(NancyL) ZT: Weigh this, with the force of water, ALL on the move, behind the lip of the flood tide.
(NancyL) ZT: This water on the move is greater than the resistance in front of it, so it continues.
(NancyL) ZT: For Texas, this means that the water will lap at the foothills of the Sierras, before dying back.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter.
(NancyL) Next?
(QueenVee) FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS/COMMENTS ON TEXAS ZETATALK MAY PROCEED. Please submit questions about other regions to QueenVee privately. Those asking persistent questions about PX sightings will be kicked and banned (such questions will be answered in following session).
(Bailey) thank you Nancy
(QueenVee) no questions?
(QueenVee) UZBEKISTAN: ZetaTalk does not currently offer any advice about this location. QUESTION: What will conditions in Uzbekistan and the surrounding region (particularly the city of Tashkent) be during the poleshift and aftertime?
(QueenVee) end of question
(NancyL) Help me out here, my map of the NEW Russian territories is upstairs.
(QueenVee) Samsara: can you provide help?
(NancyL) I recently did Tasistan, the area just north of Afganistan.
(QueenVee) send to me Samsara
(QueenVee) Nancy: Uzbehhistan is north of Pakhistan
(QueenVee) north of Afghanistan, I mean
(NancyL) Ah! But I did not put it on the web yet! It is also upstairs, I'll give you the gist.
(QueenVee) so the Tasistan region should aply
(NancyL) Aren't the Uzbecks north of Afganistan?
(QueenVee) yes, north of Afghanistan
(NancyL) The Z's said that this area would be high and dry, colder, could fish NORTH into Siberia for food Afterime, and to watch out for Russians moving in and trying to be the bosses, the elite, etc.
(QueenVee) Xenshin: your question about Florida has already been answered in zetatalk
(NancyL) Sam, this is answered and I'm planning Safe Locations updates next few days. Check then.
(NancyL) Next?
(QueenVee) ZetaTalk currently says the following about the Great Lakes: "The Great Lakes are deep, and contain enough water to create havoc along shorelines, but only those shorelines that are composed of lose soil. Any waves inland will soon recede, so encroachment into the bordering land will not be vast. Due to the widening of the St. Lawrence Seaway, the waters will drain more readily, lowering the Great Lakes somewhat, eventuall
(QueenVee) QUESTION: Can the Zetas provide more specific information on flooding conditions in the Great Lakes Region, specifically those areas bordering Lake Superior, Lake Erie, Lake Huron, and Lake Ontario. How many miles inland and how many feet above sea level should people be in order to escape flooding?
(QueenVee) What about the numerous small lakes in those areas -- how safe will it be to be near those lakes during the shift and aftertime? And, finally, what about those living on and around the Niagara Escarpment?
(NancyL) Zetas have said, somewhere, that along the Great Lakes is about 1/2 the worry along the sea coast. Not 100 miles in, 200 feet up, but 50 miles and 100 feet.
(NancyL) Of course, if you're on a bluff, high bluff, you may be safe ALONG the shore. But rivers will slosh BACK, backwash, and be very flooded.
(NancyL) Niagara was also answered recently, let me check ...
(NancyL) Yes, down on the page, Rivers and Lakes portion. Check that on the web.
(NancyL) Re small lakes ...
(NancyL) ZT: One should assume, rule of thumb, when along rivers or inland lakes.
(NancyL) ZT: Take the WORST case in memory, of flooding.
(NancyL) ZT: Raise that water level up again so it has risen not once, but three times.
(NancyL) ZT: In other words, if the WORST case is a 40 foot rise, then assume a 120 foot rise.
(NancyL) ZT: Inland lakes have not SLOSHED, but are unlikely to rise to the level that rivers will, in that rivers are a TEMPORARY store for water, and inland lakes by their nature, a permanent store.
(NancyL) ZT: So this rule of thumb applies to river flooding, but to cover the sloshing that may occur for inland lakes, a different baseline must be taken.
(NancyL) ZT: Inland lakes seldom flood their banks, or drain.
(NancyL) ZT: But as a rule of thumb one can take their DEPTH, divide by 5, and assume THAT level of water to be sloshing inland.
(NancyL) ZT: In every case, then the surrounding land must be analyzed, as to safety.
(NancyL) ZT: Are there also rivers flooding nearby, so the wet lands will be soggy and unable to absorb the slosh?
(NancyL) ZT: Is the land surrounding the lake dry and hard, so that NO water will be held by the soil in mud, but all will become runoff, water on the move?
(NancyL) ZT: Are the high spots around on ROCK, such that it will not melt, or is it soft soil that will become a mud-slide, and join the muddy water rather than hold the frightened who are clinging to its topside.
(NancyL) ZT: Each area has different characteristics, and an analysis must be made accordingly.
(NancyL) ZT: If you are 50 miles inland from one of the Great Lakes, but in any area that has soft soil so that being 100 feet high does NOT put you on rock, then you may find yourself part of the muddly Great Lake, being pulled back in a back-slosh.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the variables are endless, and cannot be addressed by ourselves, but must be dealt with by the guildlines we lay out, by those who would survive themselves!
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter.
(QueenVee) AUSTRALIA: When the pole shift is expected, Australia will be coming into its Winter season and on the Long night side of the planet when rotation stops, so Australians will not see the approach of Planet X.
(QueenVee) QUESTION: When rotation stops on the dark side, will people on the east coast of Australia be able to make their way unimpeded into the mountains by car, or will traffic or plans by our Government to block roads etc, prevent escape in time? How will Byron Bay (the most easterly point of Australia) fare?
(NancyL) Eastern AU will tip UP during the hour of the shift, and gain 150 feet or so as will NZ, but the rishing of water past AU from Pacific to Indian Ocean, per the Z's, will be at great speed.
(NancyL) Also, whether the AU govmt will block roads is unsure, hands of man.
(NancyL) The Z's have said that in long night, roads will be blocked by cars abandoned by their owners on the road, and the like, NOT the govmt.
(NancyL) You should NOT assume that rotation stoppage is the time to go a long distance, but you can surely WALK to high ground in eastern AU in a week!
(NancyL) So, to address how to determine WHEN, if in the long night, to MOVE, here's the Z's.
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that when rotation stops, that humans will be so shocked, even if they do not acknowledge what is happening, that NONE of the wheels that drive commerce or buiness or utilities or government will operate in any degree.
(NancyL) ZT: The bridge master, who must raise and lower a drawbridge, will leave his post, with the bridge UP, so that cars cannot cross, or vice versa.
(NancyL) ZT: Traffic lights will freeze, or fail to operate, such that the cross roads becomes a mess of beeping horns.
(NancyL) ZT: Frightened individuals will stand in the way, arguing, red faced, over nothing, and refuse to be moved.
(NancyL) ZT: Cars will run out of gas, being driven by frightened drivers to the point of sudden stop, and then be abandoned.
(NancyL) ZT: This will leave the roadways clogged with endless problems, such that taffic does NOT move, on either the day or night side.
(NancyL) ZT: If those on the Long Day side can anticipate having a clue, in that their morning clock will be out of sync with what they find outside, how will those on the long night side have a clue?
(NancyL) ZT: The answer, in both cases, is NOT to wait until that day when rotation actually stops, as the slowing is not SUDDEN, in this matter.
(NancyL) ZT: Rotation is already slowing to the point that moon phases are being noted, as odd.
(NancyL) ZT: Clocks are forever, now, needing to be recalibrated, but due to the weather being so strange, most have not thought this the MOST important oddity to concern themselves with.
(NancyL) ZT: The week BEFORE rotation stoppage, there will be UNDENIABLE slowing, such that minutes a day are lost, then perhaps an hour a day.
(NancyL) ZT: Should one be concerned about taking ONLY that clue, to move to the high lands, there will be MANY clues.
(NancyL) ZT: Earthquakes are now to the point where outright lying by the USGS is occuring, and noted.
(NancyL) ZT: They underreport, and omit.
(NancyL) ZT: But soon, these quakes will not just be numbers on the database, they will be large enough, and happening in places not USED to quakes, such that cities will be affected.
(NancyL) ZT: There will be MANY signs, in particular the large red object, growing larger, seen in the daylight, NOT a comet, NOT an asteroid, which doees not have light source within itself, and unexplained by the establishement.
(NancyL) ZT: So, in view of this, when rotation is slowed in a given day by several minutes, MOVE!.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter.
(QueenVee) QUESTIONS: How can a country be safe when - laying mostly under 200m - after the polar melt more than 90% of the country will be flooded? What about the volcanos in Italy; visualizing the new globe with the new geography and the new prevailing winds; the volcanos will fall directly to the WEST; causing the WORST chances regarding the volcanic gloom.
(QueenVee) end of question
(NancyL) Yes, Netherlands and Italy are grim! As is Indian, western Australia, Amazon basin, etc.
(NancyL) Those countries have never BEEN stated as "safe". In fact, on the last Rense radio show where the Zetas made an appearance, the Q was asked what to say to folks in India, as someone was planning a trip there.
(NancyL) Answer was "tell them to prepare to die."
(NancyL) Rense didn't like that answer, but it was an honest answer.
(NancyL) Since these IS no answer to "how can it be safe" other than to MOVE, or prepare to die, this Q is considered answered.
(QueenVee) OKLAHOMA: The Zetas have stated that Oklahoma may not be a desirable location due to the influx of refugees from Texas, but have not commented on physical conditions in the state. What about the Ouchita Mountain region of SE Oklahoma, how will it fare during the poleshift and aftertime?
(NancyL) They've said that MO will be under water except for the Ozarks, that Iowa will be under water, etc.
(NancyL) I am looking at my globe for relative elevation, but it does NOT look like OK has Ozarks height, right?
(NancyL) Going to look at my elevation map on the web ...
(QueenVee) StarStalker?
(NancyL) Looks like over 675 feet, most of OK, and most of TX too! But during the shift?
(NancyL) Here's the Z's
(NancyL) ZT: Land caught between the influx from the Gulf and outflow of swollen rivers is in a pinch.
(QueenVee) Nancy: the Ouchitas mountains are 1-2,000 above sea level
(NancyL) ZT: It is NOT so much the relative elevation of land, during the shift, as the amount of water to be drained from swollen rivers, and the back-wash that these rivers will experience from sloshing in seas or inlets.
(NancyL) ZT: Melting snow, in the past few years, has put land in the Dakokas under a sheet of water that shocked the residents, as it was an abnormally rapid melt.
(NancyL) ZT: The water simply had NOWHERE to go!
(NancyL) ZT: It is thus that Missouri will be under water, from the overflowing Misissippi and Missouri Rivers, in backwash from the Gulf.
(NancyL) ZT: If the water CANNOT drain, it will move about INLAND, as those who have lived through floods know.
(NancyL) ZT: Oklahoma will find those awash from Texas ON THEIR SHORES, as they will be a shore from the sloshing of the Gulf.
(NancyL) ZT: Add to this our statements that Misouri will be under water during the shift, with the exception of the Ozarks.
(NancyL) ZT: OK lies between these two water masses, and ALL except the highest and rockiest hilltops will be awash.
(NancyL) A spot on the map may be called mountains, but only be so by elevation ABOVE the neighboring land.
(NancyL) We would advise those wanting to survive with certainly, to move INTO the mountains or foothills of the Rockies, as there one can climb higher if they see that they have misjudged, and not be caught.
(NancyL) ZT: Alternatively, the Ozarks will offer safety, but will become an island in the Aftertime, trapped away from family and loved ones on the larger mainland.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter.
(QueenVee) NEW ZEALAND: As one plate subducts and the other rises, as is the case in new zealand, does this lessen the effect of tidal surges and waves?
(QueenVee) end of question
(NancyL) Yes, for NZ this means that they will have to go LESS high, LESS inland, but for NZ they have other problems.
(NancyL) I've quickly checked and NZ is supposed to get several HUNDRED more feet in elevation, not 150 or so as I may have (NancyTalk) mentioned earlier.
(NancyL) NZ, as the coast of AU, will have water action that will be very scary: "At any given moment, the water might be migrating toward the existing South Pole (during rotation stoppage), ...
(NancyL) returning from the existing South Pole (during rotation restart), pushing in directly from the Pacific or rushing between Australia and New Zealand (during the hour of ...
(NancyL) shift, due to shortening of the Pacific), coming around Australia from the Indian Ocean (as water in motion pouring through Indonesia into the Indian Ocean), or .."
(NancyL) So, one should stay AWAY from the coast, as this roiling water will be unpredictable, whirlpools, etc, and all this can rush up a river of inland.
(NancyL) Followup Qs?
(QueenVee) FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS/COMMENTS MAY PROCEED. Please reserve questions about PX sightings for next zetatalk session in #zetatalk channel (in about 1/2 hr).
(JWilliam) Question on Stoppage: 2nd last line of answer: should it read "which does have light source within itself" ?
(Bailey) Bailey sheds a tear :'
(NancyL) JWill, yes, I meant to say that Px generates its own light, and an asteroid does NOT.
(JWilliam) ;o
(LadyInRed) LadyInRed sheds lots of tears:(
(NancyL) Asteroids today, when they do a fly-by, don't have a light, are not evident, I believe, unless reflecting light.
(Pato) does Px have life ?
(ArcTicWoLf) ice 1's reflect lite back
(NancyL) Pato, this is already answered.
(Bailey) Bailey gives lady and room a hug
(Mansur) Pat: yes Niburian live there
(Pato) will they contact us ?
(LadyInRed) LadyInRed hugs back
(QueenVee) NANCY: Can you give us some guidelines on how we can better phrase regional questions in future?
(NancyL) I can only say in comfort, that drowning, if one is not anxious and fighting and grieving, does not HURT, painless, and quick.
(Mansur) Pato: No they are quarantined
(IRC) :-)
(Serbeo) How far will salt water travel up the great lakes
(NancyL) Hving been smothered into unconsciousness, I know that personally.
(Pato) k :)
(LadyInRed) oh my Nancy:(
(Serbeo) and will they reverce direction
(QueenVee) Nancy: follow-up to great lakes question: will any of the Great Lakes flood enough to "merge" with each other?
(NancyL) ZT to Serbeo: Salt water, where it meets fresh, shares itself to the extent the tidal water flows in and out.
(Bailey) Nancy are there any other painless ways to die if drowning is not an option?
(NancyL) ZT: The Mississippi has salt marshes ONLY along the deltas, as the water FROM the Mississippi is the greater factor.
(NancyL) ZT: The flow, thus, is OUT, not in, except where the tide affected the marshes along the delta.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, in the widened Seaway, salt water will flood the Seaway UNTIL it meets the narrow mouth of the Seaway, some miles UP the Seaway from where it empties today.
(NancyL) ZT: It will not travel UP in to the Great Lakes. Consider that these lakes TODAY have a force of water, and empty, and will in future, from drainage.
(NancyL) ZT: This will continue.
(NancyL) End ZT to Serbeo.
(PGill) Nancy: how will the Great Lakes areas' climate differ in the aftertime?
(Serbeo) thank you
(Domicile) Question on lead: How soon will lead occur in drinking water that is not distilled. This certainly must take a large toll as distilling all drinking water is impractical.
(NancyL) Well, the hour is up, and if QueenVee wants to continue this line of discussion next week, OK by me :-)
(QueenVee) OK, NANCY
(Lightspeed) Good night to all!
(NancyL) I will be updating the Safe Locations info with what I ALREADY had (Tasikstan, etc.) this coming week, perhaps on Thanksgiving day.
(LadyInRed) yea
(ArcTicWoLf) yea
(NancyL) ANNOUNCEMENT: ZT and Nancy on Art Bell (with George Noory) Monday 11/25 even. Wee hours Tues, in fact.
(SteveH) Domicile - good question, one I've thought a lot about
(PGill) yea
(Pegasi_Tristan) Yea
(Fetus) ya
(Bailey) thank you Nancy and admins
(DawnnaLee) yea
(IdolHarobed) thanks Nancy!
(Fetus) canada! :)
(FullMoon) YES! Would like this discussion to continue.
(Tied2) yea
(NancyL) I'll see all or anyone interested in 25 min in #zetatalk.
(Inkpen) kewk
(NancyL) Byte!
(Inkpen) kewl
Session Close: Sat Nov 23 15:34:59 2002