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Live ZetaTalk Chat on Jan 18, 2003

Session Start: Sat Jan 18 14:29:41 2003
(Domicile) Q: Since the atmospher will be stripped away during the pole shift how will this affect radio transmissions bouncing off the ionoshphere. Or will there be an ionosphere to bounce off of?
(Mary) I'm sure this has been address before but: 7 weeks before the shift what will be the size of the planet to the naked eye? A spot, a looming presence or what?
(QueenVee) Guest: please change your nick to something other than Guest or you will be kicked
(Karen) Hi Nancy very cold where you are
(NancyL) ANNOUNCEMENT: Jan 18th as well as Jan 10th images have been taken. Jan 18th will be available for download shortly, hopefully I'll have them in place by tomrrow.
(Karen) cold here as well burrrr
(NancyL) I know I'm coming late, Queen, but am ready to start. Well, actually, I'm just on time ..
(QueenVee) Guest: please change your nick to something other than Guest or you will be automatically disconnected
(Obany) good to hear that Nancy ... about the 18th pics
(Red) guest type /nick (new name)
(NancyL) Karen, our normal temps, but for Florida etc it is MUCH colder than usual.
(QueenVee) OKAY, NANCY: Do you have any announcemnts to start with?
(Karen) so I hear!
(Smurr) cold in Jax too
(NancyL) Just some SIGNS of the TIMES, is you want, here goes ...
(NancyL) SIGNS OF THE TIMES #1: French Canadian Interest
(NancyL) I am publisher of ... a (Green Paper) in Quebec (Canada), a French Language paper published for 12 years now and read by 100 000 fanatics readers. Our moto is: environment, natural product, vigilance about all kind of phenomens...
(NancyL) I always publish, in each issue, an article about subject like Troubled Times and my readers love it. As my clientele is a little bit more conscious, I plan to write an articleon the 12th planet and its consequences. Can I have more informations (if possible, in French?).
(NancyL) There was a story on NPR Saturday around noon on All Things Considered. Aparently the polar melting has revealed artifacts from 2 different layers of time on a small island between Alaska and Russia. The first was dated at about 4000 years ago and another was about 7000 years ago.
(NancyL) Posessions and food were left as if abandoned suddenly and then froze before they could rot. Here is the web address for the story on the NPR web site.
(NancyL) SIGNS OF THE TIMES #3: Australia Report
(NancyL) The drought has caused giant dust storms, the likes of which have never been seen by white man. Hot desert winds picked up dessicated Outback soil and carried it across vast tracts of land, in rolling storms that stretched for literally thousands of kilometres.
(NancyL) Airports were closed down as major cities choked in the red haze. In parts of Queenland, the drought was broken by sudden, super-intense thunderstorms that caused flash-flodding and major damage by hailstones the size of softballs (in isolated areas they were even larger).
(NancyL) Most of the country, though, is still in the grip of a severe drought, with massive crop losses resulting. Prices for fruit and vegetables are rising steadily. Freak weather conditions have also caused insect plagues; this phenomenon began about three years ago. Not only were there locust and fly plagues, but astounding mouse plagues in rural areas.
(NancyL) Unusually high tides have occurred on the East Coast, while unusually LOW tides are occurring here in the West, causing crabs to spawn out of season. We have also had temperatures soar above 40 C, only to swing back into a winter weather pattern, with 20 C days and rain, two or three days later. Crops and native trees are blooming out of season, and odd animal migrations are happening.
(NancyL) Cyclone Zoe, packing windspeeds of 360kmh or more, all but destroyed three islands in the Solomon group, 2000km off the Australian coast. Zoe was the most powerful cyclone in the South Pacific in living memory. It spawned an intense tropical low over the Northern Territory, which dropped up to half a metre of rain before completely reversing its direction, heading back out over water and picking up in intensity.
(NancyL) Our government, headed by highly STS individuals like John Howard, continues its brutal treatment of refugees. Outrages occur almost daily, such as the Immigration Minister, Phillip Ruddock, deporting a Russian woman while ordering that her baby be kept in Australia. Heseems to enjoy being personally involved in decisions that cause the most distress to refugees, such as the separation of family members.
(NancyL) However, the usual smirks of this crowd are beginning to wilt, and there is fear in their eyes of late.
(NancyL) SIGNS OF THE TIMES #4: Stock Brokers Admit ..
(NancyL) During a conversation with a stock broker today he told me that their production number requirements had been increased due to down market, even tho he doesn't believe there are any stocks worth buying.
(NancyL) I mentioned that I thought that the market should actually be much lower but was being falsely bolstered by money moguls. His reply: "I think your assessment is probably right on".
(NancyL) SIGNS OF THE TIMES #6: Slowing Rotation/Moon ..
(NancyL) I use the program Starry Night professional edition to track objects in the sky. I noticed that when I opened the program that the moon was not visible in the sky, but when I looked at the sky, the moon was very visible, about 10 degrees declination. I thought this was very strange.
(NancyL) I contacted Freeman, the company that makes the program, and told them about it, but if this program is right, which it should be, the earth is now 1.5 hours behind in its rotation, I thinks this is very strange, perhaps caused by planet X. I emailed them, they didnt know, all I know is that it used to be very acurate
(NancyL) Read for Q's Queen
(QueenVee) Let's get the unpleasant stuff out of the way first. In the last week, James McCanney has renewed his attacks on Nancy and ZetaTalk with fresh vigour and venim -- demanding the ZetaTalk site be removed from the internet, accusing Nancy and her team of doctoring photos, etc..... Can the Zetas comment on the reason for this, and its timing?
(NancyL) ZT: Signs of stress and cracks in the armor of the many factions of the debunking team are showing.
(NancyL) ZT: This team has MANY arms, not all working together, and most only vaguely aware of each other.
(NancyL) ZT: They are coordinated at arms length by the establishments, in part by funding from the banking enterprises, highly threatened by the public becoming aware of the approaching earth changes, by the CIA working on ops not reported to Congress at all, especially since they are supposed to be working OUTSIDE of the US, not within, and by NASA.
(NancyL) ZT: The individuals they support, either with funds or information or a cheerleading section, are not aware of the other arms, a typical covert activity methodology.
(NancyL) ZT: The cracks, so visible recently, are caused by several setbacks:
(NancyL) ZT: 1. a key astronomer, who HAD been working on the team, designing alternate explanations and helping to craft attacks on the ZetaTalk message, quit.
(NancyL) ZT: He became aware of the plans to DENY the public information UP TO THE END, essentially murdering billions of the earth's populace, or having this effect.
(NancyL) ZT: He had assumed the coverup to be temporary, until the establishment could emerge with plans to inform the public, but found NO such plans being worked on whatsoever.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, others stepped in, less competent, and the wrong signals have been given.
(NancyL) ZT: 2. wrong signals include Jim Scotti assuming that ZetaTalk was saying that Planet X WAS at Saturn's orbit, when regular postings on sci.astro and the web site made it CLEAR, from the start, and consistently, what the distance is.
(NancyL) ZT: Having mis-stepped badly at the start, Jim found it hard to regain his footing. This and the assumption the deunking master had that Nancy was NOT paying attention to sci.astro postings whatsoever, created a debate debacle.
(NancyL) ZT: 3. failure to closely direct debunkers such as Sarah, aka Silk in the chats, so that she went forth only partly prepped and made horendous misstatements about Saturn's visibility, during a public chat.
(NancyL) ZT: She was supposed to be EXPERT, an accomplished amateur, had postured herself thus, and such a display pointed out that any intelligent posting had been FED to her.
(NancyL) ZT: 4. failing to gain leadership in the search, which was the intent for John Oliver, aka IMO, during the summer of 2002, when he was encouraging all to LOOK when Orion was in the sun, at the Zeta coordinates, and the public was to find they could see nothing.
(NancyL) ZT: This was sabotaged by us, ZetaTalk, in our refusal to provide summertime coordinates, as nothing could be seen when Orion was in the Sun in any case.
(NancyL) ZT: IMO thus defeated only himself, but the plan STILL existed to gain leadership, so after Jim Scotti declined to stay in the arena, the debunking master sent in Michael Cunningham and others to say LOOK, its not there!
(NancyL) ZT: Well, unfortunately, the debunking master's timing was off, as it was CLEARLY visible by this time, and the web sites quickly thrown up to grab the leadership role only provided more data, more proof!
(NancyL) Thus, a type of hysteria has set in, with any party willing to be used by the debunking master exhorted to be shrill, do ANYTHING, and this is likely to get worse.
(NancyL) ZT: Hazlewood is hardely heard about anymore, having failed to capture the public as a Pied Piper, and having been too OBVIOUSLY in error in his postings about where Planet X was, for instance, seen in the Sun by the Hubble, which would never be pointed there due to potential and certain mirror damage.
(NancyL) ZT: McCanny, who went from asserting that Planet X would NOT return in 2003 to saying 2003 would happen but it would come from Sagitarius, has discredicted himself.
(NancyL) ZT: He is a self promoter, enraged when others get the stage, and is fuming that Nancy so casually gets the attention she does.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, they go off to lick their wounds, or sputter about in an obvious manner, and this type of contradictions and flip-flopping are likely to get extreme, not corrected, as the weeks wend on.
(NancyL) ZT: If you think THIS is interesting, wait until the establishment tries to start explaining the big reddish object in the skies!
(NancyL) ZT: This is entertainment!
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(TerrorDactyl) If 6 billion people's lives are at risk then why spend so much time talking about a few geeks on sci.astro?? That doesn't make any sense. For every sci.astro reader there are 10 million people that have never heard of it - where are your priorities?
(Phoenix) With only 4 months to poleshift, won't some professional astronomers come forward with reports of PX?
(Obany) the point is that there are those who read sci.astro without posting
(NancyL) Terror, you're another one :-) You have not fooled ME. Because, dear debunking agent, sci.astro reaches MILLIONS, indirectly, via influential astronomers who READ that Usenet.
(Obany) I think we have a fake SteveH here ... i think at least it seems tht way
(NancyL) And these astronomers KNOW that this planet is inbound, are watching it, and can go to the media in their various countries.
(Domicile) They may say it's a malfunctioning peice of new equiptment just put up.
(SteveH) I'm logged on from a different computer so will have different IP
(TerrorDactyl) that was a fair question
(SteveH) it's me though!
(NancyL) Phoenix, during the Jim Scotti debate, the Zetas said that, yes, that many were thinking about where their loyalties shouuld lie.
(Obany) !ban TerrorDactyl
(QueenVee) ready for the next question, Nancy?
(NancyL) Yes! Ready!
(QueenVee) Many ZetaTalk followers are asking for a clearer timeline on the progress of PlanetX on it's journey towards earth. Is it possible for the Zetas to indicate when PX will arrive at the edge of our solar system and at each planet of our solar system before passing earth?
(NancyL) ZT: For the people of Earth, the points they will be concerned with are that it IS going to happen, or not, which they are all entertaining as a possibility.
(NancyL) ZT: That it IS going to happen will be determined, for many, when the 7 week period begins, and a reddish object is visible in the daytime sky.
(Revenant203) Ay nancy , is Chicago gonna be affected severely ?
(NancyL) ZT; The fact that this appears, is WHERE, and WHEN and WHAT we said it would be, will consume their consciousness.
(NancyL) ZT: Those who have prepared, have a remote spot to go where clean water and some food from farmlands or wilderness might be gotten, will still be consumed with regret, grief, indecision as to just when to move to safety and cut ties with the old life.
(NancyL) ZT: Those who have not prepared, have been simply watching and waiting for certain signs or a hoped for FAILURE of these signs to manifest, indicating a mistake on Nancy's part or a fraud, will go into stunned shock.
(NancyL) ZT: All that they have delayed, all the many parts they have failed to put into place, will come to haunt them.
(NancyL) ZT: They will, in most cases, be hysterical, rushing about, pleading with others, and making mistakes in their haste.
(NancyL) ZT: Those who have not considered will be learning, prehaps for the first time, that this reddish object in the skies was PREDICTED, by ZetaTalk, and will be reading and absorbing the impact to their lives, with scarely another though besides what this will MEAN to their lives.
(NancyL) ZT: Now, in all of this, NO ONE, including professional astronomers, who will by this time be steadily watching the progress of this monster and its entourage of Moons, daily, be worried about just what orbit the monster is passing through on its headlong plunge toward the Sun, and near miss of the Earth.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(QueenVee) with all due respect, Nancy, that did not address the question:
(QueenVee) Many ZetaTalk followers are asking for a clearer timeline on the progress of PlanetX on it's journey towards earth. Is it possible for the Zetas to indicate when PX will arrive at the edge of our solar system and at each planet of our solar system before passing earth?
(NancyL) Queen, the Distance charts, available on the web, can be used to calculate what orbit will be passed when.
(QueenVee) okay
(QueenVee) follow-up anyone?
(QueenVee) no?
(Sundar) Nancy, you had mentioned that PX will travel from Pluto to earth in 100 light days in 7 weeks
(NancyL) Sundar, I'm not sure if that was the statements, it was 7 weeks from Saturn's orbit to Passage.
(Smurr) How close would PX have to pass the Earth to cause it to leave its orbit?
(Mankochum) this involves many numbers
(NancyL) 3 months to pass from one side of Saturn's orbit to the other, not Pluto at all.
(NancyL) Smurr, this is hypothetical, and the Zetas have said in REALITY, it will come within 14 million miles, and Earth will NOT leave its orbit.
(QueenVee) ZT has provided a lot of information about how humans can protect themselves during the hour of the shift. But can those living in the country protect large domestic animals such as horses and cows, who tend to be claustrophobic and difficult to get to lie down?
(NancyL) Let me just say before addressing this, that the new Jan 10th images show a RAPIDLY INBOUND complex, as the individual moons can be seen SWIRLING during the imaging session alone!
(NancyL) BIG change from Dec 27-28!
(NancyL) OK, now this next Q addressed:
(QueenVee) thanks, Nancy
(NancyL) ZT: Already, it has been noted that many animals, domestic as well as wildlife, act crazed.
(NancyL) ZT: Jack rabbits attack, and spiders spin webs over acreas.
(NancyL) ZT: It is a part of folklore, true, that domesticated animals often pottent a quake, by acting nervous, hiding under beds, or restless.
(NancyL) ZT: They are listening to what is in the air, increased electrical charges that interfere with radio transmissions, also another portent of quakes.
(NancyL) ZT: How will animals behave, during the days preceding the shift and the shift itself?
(NancyL) ZT: ALL animals, including humans, seek to escape what they sense is a crisis, a cinch point.
(NancyL) ZT: If matters are bad HERE, then MOVE, so will be on the move, endlessly.
(NancyL) ZT: A loud noise sends a herd running, a stampeed, and scatters a flock of birds.
(NancyL) ZT: Their instincts tell them that something has exploded, or dropped, may be heading their way, so MOVE.
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, portents of thunderstorms are more than just thunder cracks, it is electrical charges in the air.
(NancyL) ZT: To escape potential lightning strikes, animals have learned to MOVE, to leave the area, and thus the restlessness of domesticated animals such as dogs and cats just before an earthquake.
(NancyL) ZT: Most certainly, this will be the situation for at least a WEEK going into the shift, and domesticated animals hard to handle for this reason.
(NancyL) ZT: What should a pet owner, or farmer, do?
(NancyL) ZT: In the case of pets, who will be hard to feed and most likely become a meal instead, they should be put to sleep.
(NancyL) ZT: This is the kindest thing, but our advice is unlikely to be heeded, so they will run about, be injured, be starved, be shot, and eventually be eaten.
(NancyL) ZT: However, to save one's strength for the children, the injured, the hysterical HUMANS among you, eliminate the pets from the equation, our advice.
(NancyL) ZT: In the case of farm animals, who will be able to graze a bit, may survive to increase the herd, they should be put into a field where they cannot hurt themselves by running about, hysterically.
(NancyL) ZT: Close quarters such as a barn, a pen, will cause them to injure themselves against the walls, trying to escape.
(NancyL) ZT: Left out in a field, they will run about, exhuast themselves, and will more likely to be prone, resting, when the shift hits than on their feet because of this.
(NancyL) ZT: Let nature take its course, as these animals DID survive in the past.
(NancyL) ZT: The key is to provide an environment where they cannot hurt themselves. Barbed wire, likely to be forgotten by hysterical animals, is not good.
(NancyL) ZT: Wooden fences, or natural barriers, are better.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Karmie) Could the mass prayers of humanity help protect our planet?
(QueenVee) excellent, Nancy, thank you
(QueenVee) Karmie: no
(Obany) Karmie: has been stated before, pole shift can't be avoided
(Phoenix) How widespread will rabies in wild or domestic animals be?
(NancyL) Karmie, try curing cancer first. If this works, then try saving the planet.
(NancyL) Phoenix, no more widespread than today, why would it differ?
(QueenVee) ZT has indicated that regions that currently experience cold winters (e.g. Canada) will experience warmer climes after the shift (more like the southern US). How long after the shift will this occur. Should inhabitants still prepare for the kind of cold winter they are used to in the first year after the shift?
(QueenVee) And, conversely, should those in tropical climes prepare for a Canadian-like winter in the first year?
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that due to the shift, a new geography will ensure, and a new climate for most lands.
(NancyL) ZT: The shift happens within an hour, and rotation starts within a day after the shift, the monster planet causing the shift on its way rapidly.
(NancyL) ZT: The largest influence on the climate of any given region is the SUN, the degree of sunlight, whether this is experienced through clouds or a cloud-free sky.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, should those parts of the globe now experiencing winter get the SUMMER sun, their climate would change rapidly, only being delayed by the frozen ground.
(NancyL) ZT: The second largest influence is air and water currents that pass over or near the locale.
(NancyL) ZT: For instance, where ice masses such as a pole are melting under the Equatorial sun, this cold water or air might flow OVER a land, cooling it considerably.
(NancyL) ZT: A boy, sitting on a block of ice on a warm summer day, will be shivering, not sweating.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, South Africa might find itself with temperatures more like Spring than Summer, though virtually under the new Equator after the shift, due to the prevailing Westerlies blowing cold air and running cold ocean current from the melting Antartica.
(NancyL) ZT: And likewise, Alaska, due to have a virtual tropical climate in the Aftertime, might find this takes a year to settle in firmly due to the melting of the North Pole ice and the prevailing westerlies blowing air and ocean currents in their direction.
(NancyL) ZT: Third largest influence is the state of the ground, as frozen ground takes some weeks to warm up, and warm ground days to freeze.
(NancyL) ZT: Think of Spring, when the warm steady sun melts the ground, seemingly within days.
(NancyL) ZT: Or of Fall, when a cold snap can put ice on the ponds and harden the ground, also within days.
(NancyL) ZT: This influence is unlikely to LAST thus, for more than a week or two, with pockets of lingering heat or cold in the ground, not the air.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the climate change should be ASSUMED to be the target climate, NOT the climate being left behind.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(WestCoast) Nancy: How long after the shift before the skies darken the Sun, generally?
(Sserbeo) will the northeast USA experence a second winter,as if reset after PS?not much change in longitude.
(Gyflex) will the four seasons happen during the same months , as now, after the shift?
(Creaton) haha
(Phoenix) How will the redistribution of land mass between the northern and southern hemispheres affect the earth seasons, if at all?
(NancyL) WestCoast, the Zetas have said 25 years of gloom, which does NOT mean night. Dawn to dusk kind of murkiness, worst case.
(NancyL) In some parts of the world, occasional sunlight even.
(Tcards) will the volcanic gloom not keep the temperatures down quite a bit?
(QueenVee) yes, how will the volcanic gloom affect temperatures?
(NancyL) ZT to West: We predict that as all volcanoes will be erupting wildly, AT the shift, the air worldwide will experience gloomy skies within two days.
(Mankochum) poisoned air..
(WestCoast) thank you
(Obany) i think this has been explained already .. about the volcanic gloom
(NancyL) ZT: Rotation starts within a day, and within a day after that, the air EVERYWHERE will show strong evidence of volcanic ash.
(NancyL) End ZT to WestCoast.
(Mankochum) ok later
(QueenVee) will temperatures rise as the volcanic gloom dissipates?
(NancyL) Phoenix, seasons caused by the tilt of the Earth, not "distribution of land mass", I think.
(Obany) QueenVee: check
(NancyL) Serbei, we will still be closer to the North Pole, both before and after the shift, so I think not.
(NancyL) Queen, the Z's have said that the Earth will NOT be colder, after the shift, due to the core friction and all in the crust, lasting.
(Sundar) Will there be any people from India, left after the shift?
(NancyL) So, even under the volcanic gloom, the sun will warm us, and we will NOT be colder, no nuclear winter scenario, etc.
(QueenVee) Well, that's the hour, so Nancy has to go. Another great session, Nancy. Thank you!
(NancyL) Not sure how long this lasts, heated crust.
(Zetapal) great session, thanks Nancy and Zetas :)
(QueenVee) Nancy will conduct a second ZetaTalk Session in the #zetatalk channel in approximately 25 minutes. To get to that channel, simply type the following and hit enter: /join #zetatalk
(NancyL) Yes! I must say goodbye, and go to next (generally contentious) session! Put your gloves onQ Biff Bang! Splat! Ouch! :-)
Session Close: Sat Jan 18 15:38:07 2003