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Live ZetaTalk Chat on Feb 01, 2003

Session Start: Sat Feb 01 14:26:01 2003
(PegasiTristan) QV: Would you be so kind to send to send me a copy of the log, please?
(NancyL) Hello folks, I have an announcement and a few SIGNS of the TIMES if anyone is interested;
(NancyL) ANNOUNCEMENT: This coming Tuesday, 2/4 Nancy will be on live radio:
(NancyL) KSNA out of Arkansas at 8:00 AM Central Time for 2 hours
(NancyL) KROQ out of Los Angeles at 8:30 AM Pacific Time (LA's largest morning show)
(QueenVee) COOL
(NancyL) SIGNS of the TIMES #1: Pre-Shift Stretch/Slide
(NancyL) The Paseo Bridge is a major bridge used by 100,000 people daily to enter Kansas City, Missouri from the north. The newspaper said a metal plate fractured which caused the bridge to rise about 8 inches. The bridge was inspected this summer and was structerally sound. The repair to the bridge is estimated at $250,000.00 the paper blames the damage on cold weather but, it seems like the quake in Mexico occured at the same time the bridge went out.
(NancyL) SIGNS of the TIMES #2: Imploding Buildings
(NancyL) Kinston, North Carolina (CNN) -- A massive explosion and fire [1/29] Wednesday gutted a pharmaceutical supply plant ... The explosion was so powerful it blew doors open on houses more than a mile away and sent debris flying, with some pieces landing more than two miles away. "It blew the roof off a good 400 feet down the road" There were initial reports of a possible small plane hitting the building, but authorities later ruled that out, saying it was an internal explosion.
(NancyL) Explanation of cause: rubber dust. This is like a hot day causing the Maryland train derailments where the rails went zip-zag the day after inspection!
(NancyL) SIGNS of the TIMES #3: Worldwide Depression
(NancyL) World Jobless Hits Record High
(NancyL) "Unemployment around the world has reached a record figure of 180 million and is likely to continue rising, according to the International Labour Organisation (ILO). Two years of economic slowdown have caused the number of jobless worldwide to rise by 20 million to the record level of 180 million."
(NancyL) "Latin America 10%. Argentina 22%. Africa/Middle East 25% of young people are unemployed. Europe 7.6%"
(NancyL) End SIGNS of the TIMES
(QueenVee) are you ready for questions, nancy?
(NancyL) Ready Queen :-)
(QueenVee) FIRST QUESTION: What or who caused the space shuttle explosion today? What was the REAL purpose of the shuttle mission, and was that purpose in any way connected with the explosion?
(NancyL) Yes, I have an additional Q submitted re that, on whether this was terrorist related due to Israeli passenger, etc.
(NancyL) ZT:We have, over the past few months, when queries about NASA disasters such as Mars probes disappearing or malfunctioning, or Space Station or Shuttle problems, responded consistently that this this was due to Council of Worlds decisions.
(NancyL) ZT: Mankind on Earth is quarantined from the giant hominoids that inhabit Planet X, and vice versa.
(NancyL) ZT: This is due to a decision some econs ago that the giant hominoids, being larger and more technically advanced than mankind, were upsetting the 3rd Density balance needed for a fair orientation determination, the lesson of 3rd Density.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the giant hominoids were driven from Earth by a series of disasters, and setup mining on a moon of Mars, where they are today.
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, this quarantine applies to any plans the Bush Administration might have to nuke the inbound Planet X, coordinating the various nuclear devices they have ALREADY placed into space, on supposed probes, from a well equiped and staffed Space Station.
(NancyL) ZT: This quarantine, and a decision to force the STS elite of Earth to stay WITH the populace they have such distain for, also applies to an escape to Mars.
(NancyL) ZT: In spite of economic setbacks to the point of revisiting the Great Depression, homelessness, bankruptcy, cutbacks in Social Security and medical coverage for the poor, the Bush Administration thinks ONLY of invading the oil fields of Iraq and funding a nuclear engine for a fast track to Mars.
(NancyL) ZT: They are becoming obvious.
(NancyL) ZT: Most recently we were asked why, after we announced after the last NASA disaster that the gloves were coming off, that a seeming success was allowed.
(NancyL) ZT: Our answer at that time was that the devastation to these elite groups is greater when they seem to HAVE a success, followed by yet more devastating failures.
(NancyL) ZT: This is an example.
(NancyL) ZT: Since the last disaster, they have announced funding for NASA. From a deficit greater than any in history, from a banking system with a lower interest rate than any since WWII, from a tanking Stock Market and no hope in sight, that they are FUNDING NASA so they can have a fast track, a nuclear driver, to Mars!
(NancyL) ZT: Arrogance, and obviously the populace matters NOT AT ALL.
(NancyL) ZT: Was there any significance to an Israeli on board when the shuttle blew up, and was this truly an accident?
(NancyL) ZT: Yes, and no.
(NancyL) ZT: The Bush Administration has made no secret of their intention to invade Iraq, lay mines in Iraq soil to disembowel future chidren, and cause untold mutilation and injury to American soldiers and citizens of the Middle East combined.
(NancyL) ZT: They have zero justification, but this matters not to those who think they can dominate the world, and have the ONLY military might that can do so.
(NancyL) ZT: This military might comandeered by coup, not by democratic vote, we might add.
(NancyL) ZT: Their ally in this invasion is far more than Britian, a rather nervous Blair, it is Israel.
(NancyL) ZT: The brute force that has been eliminating the Palastinians from their homeland could be counted on, so the logic goes, to invade and MANAGE Iraq oil fields, for the greater good of chronies of the Bush Administration, of course.
(NancyL) ZT: So a message was given, but there is MORE to this picture than meets the eye.
(NancyL) ZT: What TRULY was ongoing on the Shuttle, on the Space Station to be finalized in the next few weeks and months?
(NancyL) ZT: Nuclear armed probes have been sent aloft in the recent past, to the alarm of those residents on Earth who saw the danger to EARTH should the probe not make it into orbit.
(NancyL) ZT: Was it quite necessary to arm a probe with nuclear material, just to explore the unknown?
(NancyL) ZT: This probe, of course, was enroute to Planet X, a trajectory not even hidden from public view at that time.
(NancyL) ZT: And this probe not the FIRST or LAST such to be launched.
(NancyL) ZT: To coordinate a nuking of Planet X, the Space Station, well above the soup of Earth's atmosphere, was required.
(NancyL) ZT: At LAST they had gotten back to staffing and equiping it! Or so they thought.
(NancyL) ZT: The message of the disintegrating and finally exploding shuttle was to the Bush Administration, who will not fail to get the message.
(NancyL) ZT: They will NOT be allowed to distroy another 3rd Density world, they MUST stand with their citizenry, so much treated with distain, and there will be NO escape to Mars or elsewhere!
(NancyL) ZT: In that an Israeli scientist was on board, the first, there was a dual message.
(NancyL) ZT: You will NOT be allowed to invade Iraq as expected, to succeed, and your secret plans, your smug deals with allies, will FAIL!
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(PegasiTristan) Where the occupants aware this was to happen?
(Karmie) Was there radio-active material on this shuttle that just crashed? Is that why Govt is telling people to stay away?
(Thunderoc) Thus the designation of the space shuttle Mission.. / was well deserved as Service to Self.-107..instant Karma.
(Franci66) were the dead astronauts fully aware of this evil mission?
(WestCoast) wow
(NancyL) Pegasi, no they didn't know.
(Whisper) this shuttle did not go to the space station
(Ibid) what specifically caused the space shuttle disaster?
(Robin) how did they blow up the shuttle?
(Gwilra) So indeed was something not "kosher" about the shuttle 'experiments'
(Inkpen) could theses nuclear probes fall back to earth when the shift is at hand ( supposing that PX will 'dissorientate' the probes) ?
(ScoobyAfk) so who blew it up?
(PegasiTristan) ahh
(Niburu) so 7 humans were sacrificed to get this message across?
(Thunderoc) apparently
(JubJub963) they didn't expect to divert a planet with a nuke blast did they?
(NancyL) ZT to Karmie: The rush to gain material that managed NOT to burn up is due only partly so that determination of the cause can be made.
(Richard) what's 7 against 6 billion
(Tied2) Thunderroc all shuttle missions are named with a STS designation
(NancyL) ZT: Indeed, there are traces of what they were REALLY up to among the mess.
(NancyL) ZT: Not only radioactive, the casings having broken, but the TYPES of instruments aboard!
(NancyL) End ZT to Karmie.
(Jurian) So, who destroyed the shuttle? And did the shuttle occupants agree to that action?
(Robin) what was the reason for the train that crashed in africa?
(NancyL) Whisper, how do you know where it went? From NASA? They LIE!
(DonMB) So the Zetas destroyed it with the blessings of the Councel of Worlds?
(Shaman464) Will Bush get the message this time?
(Ibid) why would the Bush administration still want to go to Mars--since the humans already there are captured?
(InSomNiaC420) No.. they didn't place the blame really
(NancyL) Inkpen, the probes went WAY out into space, toward the PX inbound location by the way, no secret!
(WestCoast) the Cassini probe with 70 lbs of plutonium
(Obany) i don't think that Nancy said that the Zetas blew it up
(Inkpen) ok thnx nancy
(NancyL) Ibid, the Z's just stated that a disintegration happened first, then an explosion.
(NancyL) It got pulled apart, somehow, helped to do that, etc.
(QueenVee) ready for next question nancy?
(NancyL) Nibiru, how many humans do you supposed are being starved to death NOW due to the elite management?
(NancyL) JubJub, yes, as human astrophysics assumes that a diverted path will happen, ZT says otherwise but they are SO arrogant.
(NancyL) Jurian, the astronauts did not even KNOW.
(NancyL) ZT to Jurian: A decision was made by the Council of Worlds, and the directive carried out by those visitors who carried their concerns to the Council.
(NancyL) ZT: We, the Zetas, were not a party, but several other visiting groups were.
(NancyL) ZT: It matters not just WHO was concerned that the population of the Earth is allowed to starve, to drown, to NOT be warned of the coming disasters.
(NancyL) ZT: Those astronauts who go on missions KNOW the dangers, the shuttle having blown up previously due to a faulty O-Ring.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, they had made their peace with death, to a one.
(NancyL) ZT: Not so the billions of innocents about to be tortured, maimed, starved, and deserted in their hour of need by those who were USING the space program for their own power mad ends.
(NancyL) End ZT to Jurian.
(QueenVee) ready for next question, nancy?
(NancyL) Ibid, no humans are captured on Mars, no humans are ON Mars!
(NancyL) OK, ready Queen, we beat that to death.
(QueenVee) NEXT QUESTION: ZT has said that there are currently around a billion Star Children and 12,000 Contactees on earth right now. Of those, how many are consciously aware of the coming poleshift? And, assuming that most ARE consciously aware, why is the general public and media not more aware of the event?
(NancyL) ZT: As we have stated repeatedly, a subconscious awareness is often far more effective than conscious awareness.
(NancyL) ZT: Those who are consciously aware of the coming changes, as they will attest, routinely meet with arguments from family and friends and co-workers alike when they try to bring the subject up.
(NancyL) ZT: It goes beyond argument, it goes to punishing isolation, divorce, employment termination, and suggestions that the messenger should perhaps be considered insane and treated that way, with rights removed.
(NancyL) ZT: What happens to the human who is subconsciously aware, notes the weather changes, the increasing movements in the Earth not ONLY due to quakes, the increasing illness in wildlife and domestic animals and humans alike.
(NancyL) ZT: They raise these issues, with concern, noting the little details that are bypassed when a fullblown-geological-changes-in-the-past type discussion erupts.
(NancyL) ZT: Those around them CONNECT, listen, participate in the discussion, and things move on.
(NancyL) ZT: The person who musters forth frozen mammoths, earthquake statistic graphs, and weather patterns and ZetaTalk prophecy accuracy has unloaded both guns, and everyone puts their hands over their ears and RUNS.
(NancyL) ZT: Denial is a fragile matter, often the more evidence is presented, the greater the wall of denial!
(NancyL) ZT: This wall erodes when the press subsides, allowing cracks, allowing a subconscious pondering of the facts.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, most Star Children, while coming TO Earth because of the Transformation, will assume an almost casual attitude toward what is coming.
(NancyL) ZT: This may include keeping the human dumb, so that the SOUL is aware, the SUBCONSCIOUS aware, but the human consciously unaware.
(NancyL) ZT: This is a matter in play, constantly, so numbers cannot be given that will have any meaning.
(NancyL) ZT: Suffice it to say that in dealing with Star Children, you can assume they are aware, but may present a human face that is in almost violent denial!
(NancyL) ZT: This is all to plan.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Terminal) If you are conciously aware, wouldn't you be at the same time subconciously aware?
(Robin) why dont bush get killed instead of austronauts who arent even politicians?
(Longint) Nancy, again Q re numbers: Of the 6 billion people on Earth, if currently 1 billion are starchildren and 1 billion are terran born souls, then if 90% dies out of the whole populace, making 540 million survivors, why would so many starchildren born, so that they could dye???
(Longint) And also, you said, that in novmber 98, when v70.htm was written, there were only one million star kids at best, that makes 999 million had to be born or walked-in since then, pretty hard to believe...
(ChiefSimi) In "D57" The Zetas said that rural areas have a higher percentage of unsparked souls that urban areas. And they also said that Star Children are found where existing incarnations are undecided, or they can support the Transformation. Thus, they would be unlikely to go into a primitive village, inhabited mostly by unsparked souls,
(ChiefSimi) because the Star Child would be wasted. Nancy said that "they have stepped up their pace in becoming walk-ins". So why the millions of walk-ins in rural areas among unsparked souls? Note: the Starchild soul can not walk in urban areas where the bodies are occupied by the terran born souls.
(Shaman464) is the number 12,000 for contactees alittle low?
(NancyL) Terminal, yes, the subconscious knows MORE than the conscious, mankind has it backwards re this.
(NancyL) Robin, Bush MAY get killed, by his own people, as many have predicted :-)
(Niburu) a coup in american interesting spin on the stealing of the presidency
(NancyL) Long, yes, some Star Children are EXPECTING to die, and that's a fact. Holding the hands of others who are likewise dying!
(NancyL) Long, the walk-in rate has increased, as we mentioned last week.
(NancyL) Chief, but the unsparked human body is an empty vehicle! So perhaps YES, they would go into those areas.
(NancyL) Shaman, contactee counts are also constantly rising! As Earth Changes increase, many give the Call.
(QueenVee) ready for next question, Nancy?
(QueenVee) last question, i should say....
(NancyL) But I think many walkins occur for Star Children. I know of one, IN MY FAMILY, where death was desired, a type of suicide in an accident, and a walk-in happened.
(NancyL) The person is UTTERLY different now, despite pain and disability, and a great factor in love and reaching out!
(NancyL) So, opportunities all the time, in the big cities!
(NancyL) Ready Queen :-)
(QueenVee) LAST QUESTION: ZT has predicted that the US would not declare war against and invade Iraq before the poleshift; that the "sabre-rattling" has been an exercise in (1) distraction, and (2) positioning troops for a post-shift takeover of the area. Is that still their prediction, or do they have any new predictions to offer in light of changing circumstances?
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated, when asked about Iraq war mongering by the Bush Administration, that several factors would stand in the way of such an invasion.
(NancyL) ZT: These included the Fall mid-term elections, but these elections failed to install a Democractic House and Senate, due to the Bush Administration using the technique of calling even mainmed veterans terrorist huggers if they did not rubber stamp his plans.
(NancyL) ZT: This technique, which was in the hands of man, worked, as a house threatened holds to the leader, a well know human trait.
(NancyL) ZT: We also at that time, some months ago, cited deteriorating economic news, which is beginning to be used as a force AGAINST invasion.
(NancyL) ZT: The man on the street knows that a war can go BADLY against the economy, which is already putting many out of their homes and jobs.
(NancyL) ZT: At this point, what is to be expected?
(NancyL) ZT: We anticipate, given the deaf ear that the Bush Administration presents to ALL arguments against an invasion, that they will proceed.
(NancyL) ZT: This does not mean success.
(NancyL) ZT: There are several factors converging at this time, that complicate their smug plans.
(NancyL) ZT: 1. Earth changes such as quake ravaged cities or floods and increasing illness will present the need for troups at HOME, or unable to function.
(NancyL) ZT: This has already presented problems in that the deployment schedule is behind, both for the US and UK.
(NancyL) ZT: 2. International pressure, from former allies as well as Muslim nations.
(NancyL) ZT: This today shows up as Russia and France and Germany stating they will not approve, but the US saying they will go it alone.
(NancyL) ZT: This today shows up as North Korea not simply rattling sabers, but compiling nukes in front of cameras!
(NancyL) ZT: There are the unplayed cards, the wild cards, that the public is NOT seeing.
(NancyL) ZT: There are the repeated warnings by other countries of what they will DO if the US acts as the cowboy they assume can ride any horse.
(NancyL) ZT: The public will see the result of this pressure NOT as a press release but as a sudden change in plans, most likely announced as a change in schedule, allowing the inspectors more time or the like.
(NancyL) ZT: What REALLY happened will not be divulged.
(NancyL) ZT: 3. Pressure by Republicans, those who are thinking of the future, those who consider that a scenario such as a pole shift will NOT happen, and see the party being utterly ruined for decades by what the Bush Administration is doing.
(NancyL) ZT: This would result in what is called moderate Republicans siding with Democrates, and causing problems for Bush in his Congress.
(NancyL) ZT: Call for the impeachment of Bush have already started, in the streets, during rallies, and this will continue.
(NancyL) ZT: All this tends to slow DOWN the process, as the assumption is that a bit more time will allow manipulation, threats, perhaps an assassination of an adversary.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, as these blocks compound, the invasion of Iraq may be just at hand, but never happen!
(NancyL) ZT: 4. Intervention, such as recently happened with the shuttle, such that accidents utterly unseen and NOT due to human failure happen to the invaders.
(NancyL) ZT: These are matter in humans hands or not firmly decided as yet, so speculation is rampant.
(NancyL) ZT: What we are saying is that the outcome is uncertain, so we cannot predict with certainly.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Inkpen) very enlightening
(Ibid) what are the warnings that other countries are giving the Bush administration?
(Phoenix) What of the stated pressure by Bush's "handlers" NOT to proceed with war? Has this changed direction or diminished?
(Robin) NancyL but why kill astronauts? were they not innocent?
(NancyL) Ibid, they said you would NOT know.
(stevie) you the zeats can tell all of us in this chatroom war with iraq will never happen?
(prichard) Why does Bush wan Iraqi oil if we won't eally need it after the pole shift?I
(NancyL) But I think in past they stated a smallpox infection right in the White House might occur.
(Obany) Robin: reread the log, later on has been answered
(NancyL) Phoenix, I think the Bush Administration includes his handlers.
(Gwilra) Given the loose cannon Goverment, what are the new MJ12 people able to do?
(NancyL) Robin, so are the starving stick children in Africa!
(Robin) NancyL that's not a reason to kill them is it
(NancyL) Prichard, he does not take the Zeta description of what will happen as real.
(NancyL) He thinks he can dominate what is LEFT of the planet, with the US military, etc.
(Niburu) so STO groups deliberately murdered?
Do the Zetas speculate that we will see nuclear weapons in widespread usage by the dying elite in the days just before/after the poleshift?
(Starstalker) Nancy/Zeta's seem to think that two wrongs make a right. That kind of thinking has gotten our world into it's present mess!
(NancyL) GWila, the New MJ12 does a LOT, don't I know. They have space ship cloaking, invisibility, and work hand in hand with the Zetas.
(rewindme) Thank you Nancy for all the information that would not be available
(NancyL) Nibiru, its all relative.
(Richard) and that's a fact!
(Niburu) I would have sat easier with a mechanical malfunction due to humans rushing the ship up when it wasnt ready your saying it was disintegrated or assisted in falling apart on reentry?
(NancyL) Samsara, I think they've said nukes not likely due to pollution of the planet.
(Robin) NancyL why give a message to bush by killing other ppl?
(NancyL) But, hands of man, etc.
(QueenVee) Unfortunately, that's the hour, so Nancy has to go. Another great session, Nancy. Thank you!
(QueenVee) Nancy's ZetaTalk Session in #poleshiftdiscussion has ended, and she will shortly begin a second ZetaTalk Session in the #zetatalk channel. To get to that channel, simply type the following and hit enter: /join #zetatalk
(Mike-O) Queen, great job squeezing out the disrupters before they act up.
(NancyL) Robin, it is complicated. Having Bush die would not necessarily deliver the message. These folks are deaf and dumb!
(Halo) Right at his doorstep
(prichard) Came too late, but sound interesting. Need much more specific information as the time approcahes soon, locations, events
(NancyL) Yes, bye all! Next week!
Session Close: Sat Feb 01 15:36:15 2003