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Live ZetaTalk Chat on Dec 28, 2002

Session Start: Sat Dec 28 14:26:12 2002
(Humvee) Steve how short an exposure will still show px image at present
(NancyL) ANNOUNCEMENT: Steve Havas took another set of images last evening, thanks to $$ from Naji, and JWilliam has already identified the White and Red Personas.
(NancyL) Again: moved, brighter, larger, moons more visible, where expected, tracking as expected, MISSING from where they were on Dec 13-14th, etc.
(NancyL) Looks like we're going to have a pole shift.
(Obany) Yes NancyL
(Monk) Is the pictures uploaded to a server ?
(NancyL) A report from someone re the movie Core:
(Phoenix) Q: Are the "webs" falling over areas of SW USA an increase in natural phenomena, expected to increase after PS?
(Obany) more and more signs that there indeed will be a poleshift
(NancyL) They said "I went and saw Star Trek 'Nemesis' the other night, well the name Nemesis and the plot to destroy the Earth tells something....but....the last trailer (preview) to show before the start of the main feature, Nemesis, was the trailer for the movie THE CORE. That trailer had an interesting ending, the screen goes black and states in white print 'THE PLANET EARTH HAS A DEADLINE OF SPRING 2003' "
(SteveH) Humvee, I used 20min exposures for these images but PX has also shown up on 2min exposures
(QueenVee) Nancy's ZetaTalk Session will begin shortly. Moderation mode will be on while she is doing ZetaTalk, during which no one else can post. However, there will be time for follow-up comments and questions afterwards.
(SteveH) the longer exposures give much better results, stronger signal than the shorter exposures
(QueenVee) NancyL: HOW BIZARRE!
(Butch) i saw that...kinda creepy..
(Obany) Indeed, indeed ...
(Inkpen) heh
(Humvee) thanks
(SteveH) I just saw that trailer yesterday, watching the new LOTR
(NancyL) phoenix, webs is related to the recent 60 acreas of spider webs in western Canada. These are spider web blown UP, recent hatchlings per a biologist report I read, and related to insects et al going nuts over weird signals from the Earth core, etc.
(ZooSpecimen) well done Zetapal!
(Phoenix) Thanks, Nancy ;)
(NancyL) I have one accepted Q for the #zetatalk channel, but Queen supplies the Q for this session.
(QueenVee) NANCY: let me know when you want to begin
(NancyL) Ready, Queen :-)
(Obany) as there is a difference between the session on this and on the zetatalk channel, different type of questions .. but nevertheless let the session begin :)
(ZooSpecimen) southern Ontario will move further north, but the climate will be warmer after the PS?
(NancyL) YES! Ready!!
(QueenVee) Will there be aliens other than Zetas visitng the earth in the aftertime that may offer help to humans? If so, will any of them be STS? And if so, how can we recognize and be wary of such STS aliens?
(NancyL) ZT: The 100 years after the pole shift are a time of transition for planet Earth, in that it is not wholely divided into STO or STS groups separated by the rules that govern 4th Density spiritual groups.
(NancyL) ZT: Yet there will be pockets, whole countries or continents even, which are operating in this spiritual orientation, and quarantined from interaction with others in 4th Density of the other orientation.
(NancyL) ZT: As we have stated in the Rules section of Zetatalk, visitors to Earth operating in the STO orientation, or the STS orientation, are required to enter into an Engagement in order to interact with each other.
(NancyL) ZT: These Engagements are overseen by the Council of Worlds, and proceed within rules such that chaos does not reign.
(NancyL) ZT: Unless an Engagement exists, the orientations do NOT interact.
(NancyL) ZT: However, in 3rd Density, in the main composed of undecided entities not fully leaning toward either orientation, all interact without Engagements.
(NancyL) ZT: The Call, which is a type of Engagement between an undecided entity in 3rd Density and a visitor, is also controlled by rules, such that the visitor cannot simply have their way with the immature entity.
(NancyL) ZT: STS visitors are thus not allowed to invade, occupy, eat, or otherwise have their way with humans who give the Call to them.
(NancyL) ZT: The Call is a conference, solely.
(NancyL) ZT: In the situation we have described, where STO communities of humans form after the shift, and are joined by Hybrids or visitors from many worlds, what rules will apply?
(NancyL) ZT: This is in fact no more complicated than situations on Earth today, where many Star Children are incarnated with developed spirits form 4th Density or higher, yet are living among humans in human society.
(NancyL) ZT: If a Star Child gives the Call, which happens even in higher densities, this is covered by the Rules of Engagement among visitors, as a visitor is what they ARE.
(NancyL) ZT: If a human in a group gives the Call to STS visitors, yet others in the group are giving the Call simultaneously to visitores in the STO, then great care is taken to ensure that the STS and STO visitors responding to the Call of these individual human are not using the humans for a type of Engagement between themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: Suffice to say that if visitors are NOT careful about these matters, they are promptly removed from the vicinity, expelled, so care IS taken and humans are NOT used as a type of hand-length Engagement.
(NancyL) ZT: In the STO communities of the future, after the shift, where Hybrids and visitors from other worlds and huamns of good heart are all living together, in the main this will be uncomplicated.
(NancyL) ZT: A human in this setting gives the Call to the STO, and a neighbor steps up for a chat!
(NancyL) ZT: If an immature entity is among them, perhaps a child depending upon parents, and gives the Call to the STS, then this situation would be treated as mentioned above, with care not to cross boundaries.
(NancyL) ZT: The child would be taken outside of the community, in some manner, for the conference.
(NancyL) ZT: If this child persisted in his STS leanings, he would be encouraged to leave the community when adulthood was approaching.
(NancyL) ZT: Such situations are NOT expected to arise, due to the polarization ongoing today.
(NancyL) ZT: It is likewise possible for an STO human to find themselves in mixed company after the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: This is certainly no different than the daily grind of STO individuals today, in mixed society.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, increasingly, this sorts out so that human survivors are talking to their NEIGHBORS, not visitors, which is the rule in 4th Density spiritual societies.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter followup?
(MikeO) What is the nature of an 'engagement' between an STS and STO entity in 4th density or higher? Is it basically one entity trying to win the other over to its side?
(Froggy) Where will the pockets, countries and continents be that are oprerating in sto manner?
(Gyflex) will these sts aliens continue to actively recruit for the sts camp after the shift?
(WestCoast) what role will religion play in the aftertime
(Zetapal) wow - love it
(Warrior2021) Hi Nancy there something wrong with that 100 years , some groups will go sn to 4th density right after the PS as our solar sistem flying in to higher energy level
(Obany) MikeO: has been explained already
(Obany) MikeO: rules section of zetatalk
(NancyL) MikeO, the Engagements are very thoroughly described in the Rules section.
(Domicile) Will conferences brought on by The Call move towards being more conscious, as opposed to subconscious sessions as we become more aware of ET's?
(Mulder) NancyL / Queen: Thank you both, a great answer
(QueenVee) :-)
(NancyL) Froggy, yes, this is the direction that will occur after the shift, but I think die-off must occur first, and some migrations.
(Inkpen) good question too
(Zetapal) good question Domicile
(NancyL) WestCoast, religion plays no role except as humans cling to it.
(CMell) yes Domicile good Q
(NancyL) Warrior, you are quoting some garbage, not ZetaTalk. Does this garbage quoted have an accuracy track record, like ZetaTalk?
(NancyL) Domicile, like a chat with a neighbor, yes, conscious then.
(NancyL) If you are living in an STO group, with Hybrids and Zetas, for instance, they come over for a chat.
(QueenVee) Many who come to the SHIFT2003 Chat Room are noting a dramatic increase in the polarization of orientations recently. Can the Zetas comment on this and indicate in what ways this may increasingly manifest itself in the days leading up to the poleshift?
(NancyL) ZT: Polarization in the main goes on undetected, with humans migrating to areas they sense will be more compatible with their thinking.
(NancyL) ZT: Humans join groups, decide what shops to shop in, take walks in this or that park, all based on orientation, increasingly.
(NancyL) ZT: If a group plays ball, hard, with ridicule of those losing, and another plays ball for exercise, and ensures that all attending get a fair physical workout, these are attended by humans with different leanings.
(NancyL) ZT: Political groups, religious affiliations, all are affected by orientation leanings.
(NancyL) ZT: If a political party is elitist, cruel to those in need and giving increasing power to the strong and ruthless, this is NOT an STO oriented group.
(NancyL) ZT: If a church is so rule oriented that the elders cannot be challenged even when they rape children, and refuse to be called to account, this is NOT an STO oriented leadership.
(NancyL) ZT: Decisions as to what groups to belong to, what locales to live in, what employer to work for, are made daily based on the sense the human has that their chosen orientation fits in.
(NancyL) ZT: At a certain point, during a polarization period, these trends are NOTICED, as they become extreme.
(NancyL) ZT: This is the point reached today, thus noticed. In the past, where the vast majority were undecided, only the occasional fully developed STS or STO would be about to influence matters.
(NancyL) ZT: Jesus, or Genghis Khan, so their influence was obvious.
(NancyL) ZT: During the Tranformation, where an influx of STO Star Children, including Walk-ins that increase their numbers dramatically without the birth or maturation of children being required for influence, those in the STS are threatened.
(NancyL) ZT: The PERCENTAGE of STO on the Earth is tipping, and the STS among humans feel uncomfortable.
(NancyL) ZT: They group more tightly, to be with their like kind.
(NancyL) ZT: They seek more control, get more shrill, dictate more rules, and restrict access to themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: This is all to increase their comfort level, to return to the comfort level they remember in prior times.
(NancyL) ZT: This desire for control, to return to the good-ol-days, is what in fact DRIVES the polarization, as the STS WILLINGLY separate!
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Froggy) i feel great about that answer, because everybody at my work and the clients are nice
(WestCoast) Are all STS aliens following the RULES? (non-interference)
(NancyL) WestCoast, they MUST follow the rules or be removed, instantly. There is no fooling the Council of Worlds, which knows all, apparently.
(ZooSpecimen) ... and these decisions are 100% unconcious?
(NancyL) Zoo, your subconscious knows what you're up to, your conscious picks and choses, apparently.
(QueenVee) PREAMBLE: ZT has previously said that underground shelters will likely collapse during the poleshift, including those built by the government. Yet many coming to the SHIFT2003 Chat Room continue to doubt that advice and make plans for underground shelters.
(QueenVee) QUESTION: Though the subject of underground shelters has been addressed previously, can it be addressed again more specifically, since the message is not getting through?
(NancyL) ZT: Mankind visits caves, which show their age in the slow accumulation of drip-fed rock, and think underground caverns safe.
(NancyL) ZT: At the same time, man-made mines collapse or fill with water, with horror stories of miners burried alive.
(NancyL) ZT: There are caves in rock that last eons, and mines that man mades that likewise hold up, but compared to the risks of aboveground shelters during the shift, they are HIGH RISK.
(NancyL) ZT: Mankind has little experience with Richter 9 force quakes, with only projection on what the Richter on famous quakes such as the 1906 San Francisco quake were.
(NancyL) ZT: Dramatic rock shattering, such as was required to drive raw rock at a slant, skyward, during prior shifts, is NOT in the memory of man.
(NancyL) ZT: Caverns available THEN, for man to crawl into, which closed and trapped whatever crawled there, are LOST to man.
(NancyL) ZT: On occasion, he digs bones frozen in what was formerly mud, a volcanic flow or river bed.
(NancyL) ZT: How the animals died is conjecture.
(NancyL) ZT: If human bones are found in caverns, it is assumed they died of disease, not entrapment.
(NancyL) ZT: If the force of a shift, in the recent past, has driven mountains over the plains in the US West, rumpled the foothills of the Sierras, heaved the Himalyas higher, and melted rock with subduction, then why line of thinking allows this rock to remain FIRM and UNDISTURBED just because it is the wall of a cavern?
(NancyL) ZT: It is not immune from what is happening during mountain building, during the shift: shattering rock, rapid sideways motions, flaking and separating, and snapping.
(NancyL) ZT: In heartlands, where mountain building may not be occurring, there are rocks and caves which are assumed not to be affected.
(NancyL) ZT: But stretching, growing rifts, can likewise create collapse.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, to AVOID being burried alive, crushed, do NOT be underground during the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Allow yourself access to the open air.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(CMell) is Yosemite National park in California an example of dramatic rock shattering, and skyward lift ? (thinking of the dome)
(Phoenix) Q: Would trenches dug into firm hillsides be squeezed during earthquakes?
(WestCoast) Is the red dust toxic?
(Slycli) Then the best solution is?
(NancyL) Phoenix, if the hillside was not going to be flooded, so that mudslides ensured, probably not.
(Gyflex) will theRussians take note and abandon their current bunker plans?
(NancyL) YOU must think about this! Landslides, mudslides, holding soil back with roots of trees, etc. is a KNOWN human science! KNOWN facts!
(Phoenix) Thanks
(NancyL) Do a bit of research on your own, use your own head!
(Froggy) how did the pyramids survive from last shift?
(NancyL) If you dig a trench now, along a hill, and the spring rains come, won't it get muddy, and the bottom wall start to slide?
(Obany) Froggy: keep in mind that not every pole shift is a severe one.... read zetatalk, choose science, wandering poles
(NancyL) Research what California deals with in mud slides. Its all in the books! Library, etc.
(QueenVee) Some who visit the SHIFT2003 Chat Room accept that the poleshift will occur, but are reluctant to accept that it will be as destructive as it will be, and therefore question whether ZT advice re prepration is accurate. Can the Zetas briefly describe how they know so specifically the extent of destruction of the poleshift and conditions of the aftertime? Is it purely via scientific method, or also through an ability to see into the
(NancyL) Slycli, a trench in a flat place, NOT all that wide, NOT about to be flooded either, and covered with a roof of sod covered board, or tin.
(NancyL) This has been addressed in ZT already, but they will repeat themselves. I think it is 2003 in the Pole Shift section.
(Zetapal) Queen end got cut off - "ability to see into the...."
(QueenVee) just a sec
(QueenVee) Some who visit the SHIFT2003 Chat Room accept that the poleshift will occur, but are reluctant to accept that it will be as destructive as it will be, and therefore question whether ZT advice re prepration is accurate.
(QueenVee) Can the Zetas briefly describe how they know so specifically the extent of destruction of the poleshift and conditions of the aftertime? Is it purely via scientific method, or also through an ability to see into the future?
(NancyL) Yes, P108, 2003 in the Pole Shift section, here quoted "How do you know that the sun is going to rise at approximately 6:37 AM on a given morning? You know this because you take observations, and you take measures. How do you know how many miles you must walk on a familiar trip? You can count the steps, or measure the distance, and you can verify this against maps drawn by other. You observe, and take measures. We know that the 12th Planet will make its passage in late spring or early summer of the year 2003 because we are observing the planet approaching your solar system. We were present when it came through last. This is as known to us as the setting of the sun and the rising of the sun is to you. We see this, laid out before us, and we watch each day as the comet approaches and calculate any variance from our last plot. Therefore this is not something uncertain that we have to morph up out of calculations and call 'the best estimate' or 'our speculation.' This is not speculation, this is observation, and we are telling you what we are observing."
(NancyL) End QUOTE of ZT
(QueenVee) But, nancy; is there any kind of precognition involved at all?
(NancyL) In the same manner that YOU know the Sun will rise, or can predict the effect of a hurricane heading inland, etc.
(Phoenix) Doesn't the element of chance always exist?
(NancyL) Re Precognition:
(NancyL) ZT: No
(NancyL) End ZT on that matter :-)
(QueenVee) well, that's clear
(AlphaCentauri) lol
(Obany) Very clear
(QueenVee) As it approaches, will Planet X have EMP (electro-magnetic pulse) effect on earth's electronics, similar to those effects associated with a nuclear blast or a CME (coronal mass ejection) from the sun aimed at earth? Or is it at least likely that Planet X might stimulate such CMEs from the sun during its passage?
(NancyL) Phoenix, if they were to describe the EXACT longitude or lattitude of a spot on earth, maybe they would wiggle, but to say it will be stretched out along the new Equator, they are not speculating, they care calculating.
(NancyL) Good Q ...
(QueenVee) what about when the zetas are commenting on political situations on earth?
(NancyL) ZT: Mankind's electrical equipment is sensitive to surges, brown-outs, and the many magnets used in their technology are affected by strong pulse.
(NancyL) ZT: Will the pole shift, described as magnetic in nature, utterly destroy mankinds technology, carefully packed?
(NancyL) ZT: What should be remembered is that the pole shift does NOT change the force of the field in the Earth, does NOT change whatsoever the Sun which is oblivious to the passage.
(NancyL) ZT: Solar Flares are exagerated nowadays, as the Sun has been setup to be used as an EXCUSE for the effects the Earth is currently experiencing from the approach of Planet X.
(NancyL) ZT: We stated as early as 1995, when ZetaTalk began, that this was the case, the Sun setup for this role, and right on cue NASA et all issues statements that the solar cycle which was to END in 2000 was going to be a 14 year cycle, ending in 2003.
(NancyL) ZT: How did they know this? No one ever challenges NASA, so this was never determined, but let us say that they made it up.
(NancyL) ZT: Go back into history, during all the solar cycles, and see what horrific effects were experienced.
(NancyL) ZT: Did mankind lose his compasses? Hardly.
(NancyL) There will be spotty Electro Magnetic Pulse, due to the core swirling, but this will be SPOTTY, not universal.
(NancyL) ZT: During discussions within Troubled Times on these matters, it was brought forth that there are shields, of copper wire or whatnot, that can protect against EMP.
(NancyL) ZT: We would as general advice guard technology against shattering, being thrown or dropped.
(NancyL) ZT: EMP is so unlikely, that if it does occur is likely NOT to have affected the technolgy over the hill, down the road, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: After the shift, mankind will be picking up the pieces, working with what they have, and bartering with neighbors.
(NancyL) ZT: This is just another bartering issue to consider.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(QueenVee) NANCY: FOLLOW-UP TO PREVIOUS QUESTION: What about when the Zetas are commenting on political situations on earth. Are they to some extent using their untuitive abilities to make predictions, or merely astute analytical observation and analysis? People are very confused on this issue.
(Inkpen) whow
(MikeO) Is the EarthChangesTV web site, which blames Coronal Mass Ejections for everything from lost puppies to burnt toast, a puppet of NASA?
(Inkpen) the followups flowin in
(Phoenix) Does EMP affect electronics not in use at the time?
(NancyL) The Zetas are very very telepathic. If someone THINKS a thing, they know it.
(NancyL) Where YOU may not be aware of the real reasons for this or that, they are NOT confused.
(CMell) and that shield is called Farradays cage I believe
(Humvee) can we assume that navigation over shorter distance and time periods by compass will be similarly used
(NancyL) Can you give me an example that I can address, Queen?
(Obany) Guest: could you change your nick please use /nick ...... (--- nicname
(NancyL) What comment on political situation is supposed to be intuitive, for instance.
(QueenVee) like the likelyhood of Bush's handlers assassinating him if he gets out of line
(NancyL) MikeO, yes re Earth Changes, the guy gets info from NASA and thinks himself important for that reason.
(ZooSpecimen) the election?
(NancyL) Phoenix, I'm not an expert on EMP, but think having equipment turned off is better than on, yes.
(QueenVee) like predictions of election outcomes
(Okidok) Is Saddam Hussein aware of the coming poleshift??? If he is, why dosen`t he then use this information to spread fear?
(CMell) EMP can fry equipment thats turned off
(CMell) but sure it is better turned off
(QueenVee) Okidok: only US, Russian, and British govts are aware
(NancyL) Queen, they are, telepathy wise, IN THE ROOM when this gets discussed, IN THEIR HEADS when they think this, and KNOW how many think this, whether they have talked to each other, and can calculate the likelihood of success!
(QueenVee) NancyL: thanks, very clear answer!
(NancyL) Okidok, I don't think Sadamn is in the inner circle on pole shift info, no.
(Phoenix) thx
(MikeO) France, Germany, and Japan are aware too . . .
(AlphaCentauri) Okidok: And I think Saddam Hussein is highly STS but doesnt' want to be considered as a tyrant but as a God so doesn't want to spread fear.
(QueenVee) Okay, that's the hour, folks. ANOTHER GREAT SESSION, NANCY! THANK YOU!
(NancyL) Thanks as always to Queen.
(QueenVee) Nancy's ZetaTalk Session in this channel has ended. She will begin a second ZetaTalk Session in the #zetatalk channel in approximately 30 minutes. To get to that channel, simply type the following and hit enter: /join #zetatalk
(NancyL) I have a Queen Q, how is your new Network with Others going, re groups?
(QueenVee) Nancy: lots of response
(QueenVee) but i haven't got them up yet
(QueenVee) working on it
(QueenVee) ;-)
(QueenVee) thanks for asking....
(Phoenix) QV, the busy bee! ;)
(NancyL) That's great! This is something I'm always asked about, and always refuse to get involved in. I say "I don't coordinate groups or introduce folks to each other"
(QueenVee) glad to take another load off ya, Nancy
(NancyL) Very happy Queen is doing this!
(NancyL) Going to bid bye bye now, onto next session. Bye
(QueenVee) others were involved in the planning stages
(Obany) Let's hope the next session will be just a good ... as in about a couple of days it will be 2003
Session Close: Sat Dec 28 15:39:05 2002