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Live ZetaTalk Chat on Dec 21, 2002

Session Start: Sat Dec 21 14:22:13 2002
(GWilra) Dave7: I've several years experience advocating un-common positions, and I rarely make a dent when it comes to pole shifts topics.
(Obany) Indeed SteveH...
(SteveH) I find usually only serious, somber type of people will listen
(EcclesP) Dave7: same here; the lineal increase in quakes, wild weather, etc. may not people notice earth changes until March-April.
(IaNZ) Beautiful sunny Sunday morning here again in BOP, NZ
(NancyL) ANNOUNCEMENT: Images take on Dec 13-14 have been analyzed and results are 1. white is between Dec 6 and 18th coordinate points (as expected)
(GWilra) SteveH: I did find that your photos help a lot, thanks....
(ZooSpecimen) thats why i hope for more mass sightings so the topic can be easyer to bring up
(Humvee) Ive found that if I liten up and just mention the high winds & tides next May people listen and are interested
(NancyL) 2. Red moves slightly over the night depending upon whether scope is pointed toward horizon (SES) or overhead (SWW).
(GWilra) Humvee: good suggestion, I'll try it
(Humvee) then wait until they ask u a question till u tell them more - works well so far
(Sundar) all bull shit in this site
(NancyL) 3. Moons and moon swirl DEFINITELY visible, and one particular moon swirl also moves during the night.
(Dave7) Thanks for that feed back enlightened ones.(brothers/sisters)
(Obany) Yes, Nancy i took a look at the updated sighting page
(CMell) I've done a combination without success
(NancyL) 4. Larger, brighter, more pixels involved, etc.
(Gsw11) is this seen with telescope?
(NancyL) Gsw11, the amateur equipment used is outlined in the TEAM pages,
(Dave7) Poor old Sundar, her life is a mess and she gets kicked as well.
(NancyL) Someone sent me math re size and it would seem that at this time Px with moon swirls is only 4% or so Jupiter size, where in Sep 15 was 3%.
(Nightbird) LOL @ Dave
(NancyL) But the size we are seeing is MUCH larger than this! At least for outlying moons in the tail.
(Rokkit) some people just dont get the point Dave
(Obany) And yet there are still those on sci.astro who well say it's just noise.. go figure
(NancyL) I'm going to take a look and compare ...
(SteveH) ZT says PX moves in faster than what the charts that have been done on TT indicate
(SteveH) so could have moved in much closer over last couple of months
(Obany) SteveH: that's also what the Zetas said some time ago, that the TT charts are not exactly right
(Dave7) Rokkit if they grow some hair on the point, maybe no one will notice.
(Rokkit) LOL--true!
(QueenVee) TO THOSE WHO HAVE JUST ENTERED THE ROOM: Nancy's ZetaTalk Session will begin in about five minutes. The Agenda is now closed for new questions. Moderation mode will be on while Nancy does ZT, but there will be opportunity for follow-up questions afterwards.
(Dave7) Gidday Nancy, how are you holding up?
(QueenVee) BRB
(NancyL) I'm ready, Queen :-)
(CMell) NL I think QV went away for a short while :)
(Obany) hope this will be a good session
(NancyL) I looked at the dots and smudges that have been Px since Sep 21 to Dec 13, and there is NOT all that much of an increase, I guess.
(QueenVee) I'M BACK
(NancyL) Perhaps the "almost as large as the Moon" was for Px and near dust cloud, as what we are seeing spread out, is larger, I think.
(NancyL) When it passes, it is described as like a dragon, a fire dragon, so it may be the tail is longer than the "moon' size we have been using, etc.
(QueenVee) PREAMBLE: It seems likely that the destruction of large industrial cities surrounding the Great Lakes (and similar kinds of lakes) will cause them to be heavily polluted by industrial poisons after the shift. Unlike waters on the ocean coasts, the waters of the Great Lakes are shallow and enclosed.
(QueenVee) QUESTION: Will the pollution stay localized or will it dispurse? How soon after the shift will the Lakes' fish and water be safe to consume? Will some of the Lakes fare better than others?
(NancyL) ZT: Pollution can be viewed from several angles.
(NancyL) ZT: The bottle of chlorine, considered poison, if poured in a pool will create havoc, but this is a LOCAL reaction.
(NancyL) ZT: Some pollution, like PCB's, that are long lived and continuously effect, anew, whatever they contact, are MORE than a single pollutant, they are an endless pollutant, or so to speak.
(NancyL) ZT: But others engage in chemical reactions, and thus are self limited.
(NancyL) ZT: Some heavy metals also effect the area only for a short time, then go where heavy metals DO, get burried, or trapped in a chemical bond, to be where they were when mankind first discovered them and engaged them in industrial uses.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, when mankind looks upon industrial poisons, maintained in tanks, they assume a permanent cesspool, but this is not always the case.
(NancyL) ZT: Were the contents of all these tanks to mix, there would be gasses, explosions, and eventually the mix returns to what nature does with these chemicals in the first place.
(NancyL) ZT: The cave man found the Earth in a state, and this state would be achieved in short order if all the poisons in tanks were left to mix freely.
(NancyL) ZT: Even radioactivity is only a poison because mankind GATHERED it together, and if allowed to disburse, would be as the cave man found it.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, where we are advising that mankind NOT linger about industrial sites for the shift, nor settle there afterwards, this is not to say that these poisons will retain their impact for long.
(NancyL) ZT: Especially where not trapped in small pools, and by this we mean pools, not lakes.
(NancyL) ZT: Try an experiment. Take the chemicals you fear, that exist in your local industrial park, and mix them together in a fish tank.
(NancyL) ZT: This must be porportional to the nearby lake or river, to be properly diluted.
(NancyL) ZT: Add fish, and see what happens! You may be surprised to find that your chemicals, combined, reduce each other's impact!
(NancyL) ZT: These noxious chemicals were once non-noxious, in nature, and find their way there again.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(CMell) I'n regard to pollution, how will powerplants fare during the shift, first will they be operating, or in other words specifically, will nuclear powerplants continue to operate during and after the shift (even without personel)?
(Jurian) You may also be surprised to find that some react violently, and create deadly gasses. Be VERY carefull if messing with chemicals! DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME
(SteveH) CMell, all industrial applications will fail, across the board
(NancyL) CMell, the Z's have said that the quakes will disrupt nuclear plants, so they should be shut down before hand. NO power plants will be operating after the shift, due the quake force, etc.
(CMell) ok thx
(Bearz) How do we get the word to the power plant operators?
(NancyL) Jurian, yes, one should know what they are doing, with chemical mixing about, etc.
(Obany) cmell: and that's on zetatal for some time now about the nuclear planets for what i remember
(NancyL) Bearz, that is up to YOU. Take action!
(CMell) ok, sorry
(QueenVee) PREAMBLE: Our survival group hsd identified locations in 4 Hawaiian islands that range from 1500' to 3500' above present sea level. QUESTION: What will the projected height of tidal bore be when the oceans rush from one side of the Pacific to the next ?
(NancyL) ZT: Tidal bore is present when the water has NO WHERE to go but up.
(NancyL) ZT: This happens when a large wave approaches a cliff, along a land mass that prevent the water from ANY escape.
(NancyL) ZT: For instance, along the western coast of Peru.
(NancyL) ZT: Water then must either push sideways, encountering water under just as much pressure, or back, likewise not possible given the press.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the LEAST resistance is up a ravine.
(NancyL) ZT: In the case of islands like those in Hawaii, there is wiggle room.
(NancyL) ZT: Even though the islands are large, the wave APPROACHING the island starts to move AROUND the island long before it starts rolling up the land mass toward the beaches.
(NancyL) ZT: The water on either side of the island has a LOT of options, can move sideways, and does so.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the advise to move inland x miles and upland x feet is not that far afield.
(NancyL) ZT: Clearly, one should move as high as possible, staying out of the hurricane force winds, and not hang about near the beaches even if on high ground.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Humvee) most high spots are still within a mile of the ocean
(Tcards) will the UK experience any tidal bore?
(CMell) Tcards but ofcourse
(Phoenix) What is the tidal reach on large inland lakes, like Flathead Lake, Great Lakes?
(NancyL) Tcards, not unless the ocean hits cliffs, etc.
(Obany) And what about the Scandinavian countries?
(Tcards) thnx
(NancyL) Phoenix, it has been stated that the Great Lakes are about half the concern of ocean beaches.
(DawnnaLee) will the waves reach up to the White Mountains in New Hampshire?
(CMell) what about Denmark ?
(NancyL) Folks, imagine water reaching inland about 100 miles, being 200 feet high, and this being the worst case.
(NancyL) Now, if this water CANNOT roll inland, because it hits a cliff, a brick wall, then where will it go?
(CMell) up
(NancyL) Can it move sideways, can it flow inland along rivers?
(NancyL) Play with this a bit, build models of your area, and slosh water about a bit!
(QueenVee) How long after the shift will rain water become safe to drink again without purification? Though this will obviously vary from region to region (depending on amount of volcanic ash) are there general pointers that might assist us in this regard? Will water filtering be sufficient, or is distillation also required?
(NancyL) ZT: Our advise on distilling water to remove heavy metals such as lead presumes that volcanic ash will be falling, be included in the rain or fog, and accumulate on the ground.
(NancyL) ZT: There are several factors to consider. First, the land may be at a site where little rain falls, outside of the volcanic drift, high so that most heavy ash has dropped before arriving, and have little problem with this.
(NancyL) ZT: Second, heavy rainfall may outweight the lead content, wash this way in good runoff, such that there is scarsely any accumulation or it is so diluted as to be negligible.
(NancyL) ZT: Third, the land may be directly in volcanic ash path, from a volcano that lasts for centuries after the shift, and be unlivable for far longer than the 25 years we have given as a guide.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, there is simply no general statements about when ground or rain water will be OK. One must use their judgement about such matter.
(NancyL) End ZT on this, followup?
(QueenVee) no follow-up questions?
(TerrorDactyl) boiling it is ok yes?
(IaNZ) Look up KDF filters, simple cf distillation
(Dave7) If in doubt filter?
(QueenVee) There seems to be a recent uptick in staph infections throughout the world. Is this related to PlanetX and the poleshift, or to government activity, or...?
(NancyL) Terror, distilling is more than boiling. Boil and drink and you still get the lead.
(NancyL) Filters will be used up, and NO going to the supply store either.
(NancyL) Yes, Queen, I noted on TV the staph in Marines, and someone told me a ship load of Navy personnel got sick too, known bugs, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: As we reported in a recent chat, this is JUST what we predicted in 1995, "taking sick" increasingly, and nothing more.
(NancyL) ZT: This is hitting the news as it has gotten extreme, the numbers, the incidents on the heels of one another, but not because it has not been happening, since 1995.
(NancyL) ZT: Statistics on hospital admissions, outages from schools and workplaces, will show you the same uptick and concerns.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter.
(CMell) when ppl wash, must that be in distilled water, or can one use undistilled water for that purpose ?
(Bearz) do "chemtrails" play a role in these infections?
(TaL0N) ?
(NancyL) CMell, I think drinking is the big concern.
(Nightbird) Do the Zeta's recommend using colloidial silver to prevent getting these "bugs"?
(Tcards) Nightbird: good Q
(Phoenix) Why are so many humans suffering with impaired immune systems?
(NancyL) ZT to Bearz: Chemtrails are local, and the US and the elite, in their experiments, are NOT drifting this over military personnel.
(CMell) I'm not sure about that NL, cells absorb water
(QueenVee) CMell: but not like the intestine does
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, the germs present in chemtrails are not those such as staph, which can be quickly identified by medical personnel and cured.
(NancyL) End ZT to Bearz
(Bearz) thank you
(NancyL) Nightbird, YOU read the CS statistics and come to your own conclusions.
(Obany) good and interresting answer(s)
(NancyL) There is no overall panacea for the germs we have been living with since cave man days.
(QueenVee) PREAMBLE: To everyone's surprise, after for many years denying such a possibility, this week celebrity psychic Sylvia Browne announced on the Art Bell show that she now sees a worldwide natural cataclysm in the future, and the disappearance of mankind within 5 years.
(QueenVee) QUESTION: What is behind this sudden change, and will other "celebrity psychics" start to come forward with similar predictions as well?
(NancyL) Oh, good Q!
(QueenVee) :-)
(NancyL) ZT: We have mentioned that many aliens channeling, to valid channels, are reluctant to announce the coming cataclysms.
(NancyL) ZT: We have explained that this is due to 1. not wanting to be the bearer of bad tidings, 2. not having a human willing to be the bearer of bad tidings.
(NancyL) ZT: Both factors are at play, so that one must have 1. an alien information source willing to tell the horrid truth, 2. a human willing to be the bearer of this.
(NancyL) ZT: To date, none but Nancy has filled these shoes, but times are changing for several reasons.
(NancyL) ZT: Where information sources have aluded to coming changes, they focus on the aftertime as being a better time, NOT the steps that will occur to get there.
(NancyL) ZT: Earth changes are described in light text, heavy on the emphasis of glowing times afterwards: peace, cooperation, the return of Chirst, or whatever.
(NancyL) ZT: If the cataclysms are at all described, they are put into short phrases, such as "much death", without details.
(NancyL) ZT: To state which areas of the world will experience tidal waves, which will quickly drown, which will freeze, which will choke on ash, and the like is too graphic.
(NancyL) ZT: Readers of light text can imagine that OTHERS will experience SOMETHING, but not themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: This leaves the shift and its effect as theoretical, abstract.
(NancyL) ZT: What has occurred that some sources are now leaning in the direction of addressing the coming times?
(NancyL) ZT: In truth, for every source that moves closer to telling the truth, there are others who back away!
(NancyL) ZT: The earth changes are pressing in on all consciousness, undeniable, and thus the confort of denial is increasingly hard to achieve.
(NancyL) ZT: Those atuned to other voices have a choice, to shut it all out or LISTEN, and if they chose to stay in contact will have to admit that SOMETHING is around the corner.
(NancyL) ZT: Like Scallion, who deals with this pain in this regard and taps in, or like Cayce, who likewise reported the unpleasant, some will be true channels for the truth.
(NancyL) ZT: But likewise, some otherwise true channels will be increasingly flaky, vague, ethereal, and deny any rough times in the near future.
(NancyL) ZT: Consider, when listening to these many voices, that a HUMAN is relaying this information, and place this in the context of what you know human behaviour to BE.
(NancyL) ZT: How many of your fellows can take really bad news without trying first to deny it?
(NancyL) ZT: Consider second that alien groups relaying information to humans may likewise prefer to save the really bad news until the last minute.
(NancyL) ZT: We ask only that those looking for the truth consider the ZetaTalk accuracy track record, which is impressive to the point of standing alone in information received from a source outside of the human vehicle relaying it.
(NancyL) ZT: There is NO other channel or source with this track record.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?

(CMell) NancyL, you are a human ! What stops you from changing the channeled story to be more pleasant ?
(QueenVee) why would alien groups prefer delaying until the last minute -- to avoid mass panic? do they not wish to help humans survive the poleshift if at all possible?
(MikeO) Was Werner Erhard, who created the 'EST' Training, destroyed by the elite because he warned people about a pole shift back in 1980?
(NancyL) So she said all of mankind would die off within 5 years! Yikes, a bit of an overstatement.
(TerrorDactyl) 14 weeks (7 weeks before May) from now it will glow like a red cross, brighter than any star - is this still true?
(Dave7) RE: Safewater, A few good filters could last years.99.7% removal of lead.$20 each. Then distill. Natural filters ie sand/gravel bags. Then distill. Tent fly to catch rainwater etc.
(QueenVee) MikeO: not related
(franci66) I thought all aliens cultures believe in empowering individuals with truth...
(NancyL) CMell, I don't play games with the truth or back away from it. Why WOULD I?
(QueenVee) Nancy: we figured she was seeing the shift to 4th density -- she said she just didn't see anything on earth after that
(TerrorDactyl) your track record is somewhat open to interpretation on accuracy
(NancyL) ZT to Queen: Those alien groups pulling back from a full truthful account of what mankind will experience have several reasons for doing this.
(CMell) I don't know Nancy thats why I ask (not meant as an attack)
(Obany) !kick Howmo you know why
(NancyL) ZT: First, as with any relaying of discomfiting news, the news bearer is ALSO discomfited.
(NancyL) ZT: So, the news bearer would prefer NOT to experience this discomfit, call it cowardice or pandering to the self or a weakness.
(NancyL) ZT: Second, there are those who feel that the news would be delivered to many who could NOT do anything with the news, could not move, prepare, and the agony would only be thus prolonged.
(NancyL) ZT: This is akin to a doctor not telling a patient that they are dying until the dying day.
(NancyL) ZT: In this case also, the doctor, the news bearer, is excusing themselves from discomfiting demands by the patient of family.
(NancyL) ZT: Can the patient not be cured in some way, has the doctor done all he can, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: In like manner, aliens presenting a pole shift scenario are asked, via their channels, endlessly, if all of mankind cannot be saved, lifeted, the shift avoided, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: Those aliens groups presenting a rosy, or glossed over view, will explain the facts to those who they deem will be able to take it well, or deem could benefit from such facts.
(NancyL) End ZT to Queen.
(QueenVee) Despite the end of the Cold War and the reduced threat of nuclear war and serious budget problems, for some time now Russia has been pursuing construction of a massive underground facility at Yamantau Mountain. Is this facility being built specifically with the coming poleshift in mind?
(NancyL) Does anyone know if this is in the Ural mountains? I'll assume so, and if NANCY is wrong on this, its another Beatles thingie.
(CMell) it is
(QueenVee) yes, in the Ural Mountains
(NancyL) ZT: The US with their Mt Weather is not alone in their expectation that underground facilities would be the best bet in the event of a possible pole shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Human scientists present, in their limited view, the nuclear winter scenario, where all life above ground would die.
(NancyL) ZT: Humans tend to put a few facts into the mix, ignoring a massive amount of other facts, and thus come up with wrong conclusions.
(NancyL) ZT: This is done for several reasons, 1. the limited human IQ, 2. the desire to arrive at a conclusion and thus limiting the options, 3. limited human knowledge in the first place.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, given the projection that a nuclear winter, caused by vocanic eruption, COULD and perhaps HAS in the past as in the case of the presumed dinosaur extinction, the elite planned to go underground and live several decades thus.
(NancyL) ZT: In fact, as we have stated and any thorough analysis of the facts will present, dinosaur extinction was NOT caused by a nuclear winter, as not all forms were so affected, thus it was spieces selective, not global.
(NancyL) ZT: It was a virus, not a nuclear winter.
(NancyL) ZT: But given that military personnel are not know for their deep thinking, are brusk and bossy, they grabbed at the projections and plotted their course.
(NancyL) ZT: Given the size of the quakes, Richter 9 force worldwide, with mountain building and renting of continental rifts, these underground facilities will hardly be a safe place.
(NancyL) ZT: It takes little to trap an outlet, torque an elevator such that it cannot rise or fall, and create panic in the tomb.
(NancyL) ZT: Air circulation will not work, slowly smothering those trapped inside.
(NancyL) ZT: Water will find its way into underground pockets, drowning those trapped.
(NancyL) ZT: Electrical equipment will falter, plunging those into darkness.
(NancyL) ZT: A fitting end of the elite who have, in their greed for power and wealth, sent the poor into mines and such circumstances.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter and must break for the next sessions!
(MikeO) Queen, the Werner-Erhard/pole-shift connection is relevant. Trust me on this one. He hinted to thousands of people about an impending pole shift as far back as 1980, and that's why I believe the government and elite took him down, quickly and mercilessly.
(CMell) Q to the zetas : are there cowards in you'r ranks, or did I misunderstand? (don't see this as blame, as it is not so)
(TerrorDactyl) NASA know of these things, so where will they hide?
(Tied2) Can the Zeta's tell us what became of the virus that killed the dinosaurs?
(GWilra) thank you
(NancyL) So, how did Art Bell react to S. Browne's prediction?
(Doro-Hog) what a way to die...
(QueenVee) Okay, that's the hour, folks. A BIG THANK YOU to Nancy and the room participants for yet another great ZetaTalk Session!
(NancyL) Tied2, does it matter?
(Tied2) Nancy it might
(NancyL) Art is closing down shop now, end of this month.
(QueenVee) Nancy will begin a second ZetaTalk Session in the #zetatalk channel in approximately 30 minutes. To get to that channel, simply type the following and hit enter: /join #zetatalk
(QueenVee) FYI: Next week the SHIFT2003 website ( ) will be adding a "NETWORK WITH OTHERS" section to help people connect with other poleshifters in their area -- if you would like to be sent further info about that, just give me your email address on a private channel and you will be placed on the mailing list.
(GWilra) Art made comparisons to all the others that he viewed as part of the Quicking... including Ed Dames.
Session Close: Sat Dec 21 15:55:16 2002