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Live ZetaTalk Chat on Dec 07, 2002

Session Start: Sat Dec 07 14:24:30 2002
(Obany) I won't mind rebirthing in a hybrid
(Guest) oh fun obany
(Erica28) hey, notice time has spedup te past 2 years?
(NancyL) ANNOUNCEMENT: Set of Images at Dec 6th Coordinates taken wee hours of Dec 4th by Steve Havas.
(12thPic) those hybrids are more zetan than human. obany, have you seen the Travis Walton artwork?
(Casper) time has sped up
(NancyL) Now on the web at ../teams/tteam342.htm for Dec 4th imaging session.
(NancyL) The Red Persona is MONSTROUS, compared to prior, SO much bigger, obvious, etc.
(QueenVee) great news Nancy
(NancyL) The White Persona is not larger in appearance, but pixel analysis still pending.
(NancyL) Angle to horizon as 70 deg rather than 50 deg previously, so Red Persona closer to White, as expected.
(Obany) looking at it.. and clearly vissible ...
(NancyL) White Persona right where one would expect (Spot ON as Josh would say) and the Red right where one would expect also!
(NancyL) Looks like we're going to have a pole shift, folks.
(Obany) 12thPic: I have seen a drawing of it also on zetatalk
(QueenVee) Hehe
(NancyL) Steve! Man of the hour here!
(NancyL) Did you announce on sci.astro, Steve?
(Ummite) can I see the pic
(Vaulb) I can't see Px :/
(SteveH) no, not yet. is it on ZT?
(12thPic) nancy, in your life form tour writeup, was the Slinky Man one of the Men in Black that live here on earth?
(NancyL) Yes, I made the changes on the web site, and the Planet X Sighting page, the TEAM page, is updated with the new links, etc.
(Zetapal) 1,1. 4,1~~* 11,1.o 8,1O
(NancyL) Tested it out too, after the ftp.
(SteveH) Awesome, I guess I'll post something after or you can post if you want?
(NancyL) 12thPic, no, re MIB
(QueenVee) quick-draw mcObany
(Obany) Queenvee :)
(Vaulb) Px is coming closer and closer but nothing big has happened...why :/
(NancyL) SteveH, I have back to back session, so if YOU could post, would be great! I want to spend time on those "new" spots you questioned, etc.
(Obany) Vaulb: well you should open your eyes then ... wake up .. to what is occuring on the globe
(Obany) lot of changes going on
(NancyL) I want to examine if they are truly "new" or just appearing exagerated in our imaging due to filtering for red, or what.
(SteveH) ok Nancy, np.
(NancyL) .. and ask the Z's, etc.
(Vaulb) lot of changes is always going on..
(Spanky) when PX occurs, most people will think it's a new cell phone tower (they have those red lights marking them)
(SteveH) I have to head out for 15min, will be back
(Obany) Vault: but not like now... or then what do you want to occur?
(QueenVee) A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder is about to start. Moderator mode will be on while Nancy does ZetaTalk, during which no one else can post. However, there will be an opportunity for following comments and questions after each Agenda Question.
(Erica28) new cell phone #? ppl can be duh
(IaNZ) Book..CoEvolution(pub) Nexus, has pic of hybrid, author says could pass unnoticed on street, hat on, small and slim.
(Spanky) IaNZ: do you have a link?
(Spanky) the Steve Neill face is an Orion
(QueenVee) NANCY: Would you like me to feed you the questions one by one, or do you want to look at them in a bunch first?
(Spanky) well, alot of anime characters look like hybrids.
(NancyL) Info is fed in the media locally only, so the BIG picture is not known, worldwide. A report from Australia, in email, as an example:
(NancyL) We are having the worst drought ever in Australia. As I write this, firestorms surround Sydney. Crop losses are huge-down some 60%, and we are not into summer yet! We have also had giant dust-storms hundreds of mile long that have blanketed whole cities.
(NancyL) Interspersed with this are storms in limited areas that have dumped far too MUCH rain, and the weather here in Perth swings from cold to baking heat in the space of 24 hours. Ocean levels have risen to the point where beaches are being literally washed away.
(NancyL) Insurance companies are going under one by one, and food prices are going up. We have also had television stations going off air for 30 minutes or so-the last time it happened was during a meteor shower.
(NancyL) Also, the Australian economy is faltering, and the government is trotting out "experts" to tell us that good times are just around the corner. I have noticed, though, that our Prime Minister is looking very nervous these days.
(NancyL) Now, how many of you were aware of that? Not in OUR news, certainly.
(Erica28) i agree about the PM
(Spanky) is the economy crash happening because the powers that be act careless due to what's around the corner
(Casper) dag gum call waiting
(QueenVee) A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder is about to start. Moderator mode will be on while Nancy does ZetaTalk, during which no one else can post. However, there will be an opportunity for follow-up comments and questions after each Agenda Question.
(Sundar) Nancy, you had predicted that there will be drought and food short fall in US in 2002 - will we still see drought in 2002
(Ralf) casper: dial *70 first.
(Casper) i forgot ty
(QueenVee) Ralf is instant tech support
(NancyL) Weather extremes, as before, only more pronounced and unpredictable, swings, etc. yes, re weather.
(Casper) close call
(TWright) we have had a drought in 2002
(NancyL) Spanky, the economy, worldwide, is crashing due to dominoe effect of quakes, weather, etc.
(Sundar) From news, we see food packing companies are reaping benefits which show there is no food shortage
(NancyL) One company has problems, lays someone off, they don't buy, a storm causes ins payouts, the ins company does not pay, goes bankrupt, etc.
(NancyL) Domino effects
(Keats) food companies would benefit from a food shortage
(TWright) it depends on what country you're in
(NancyL) Yes, Queen, lets start!
(QueenVee) 1. The Zetas have emphasized that we should concentrate on forming survival groups before the shift with family and friends, rather than strangers. Will that be the nature of most communities in the aftertime, or will such small groups meet up and join with other such family/friend groups? Are arrangements for such aftertime meetings being made now, on an unconscious basis?
(NancyL) ZT: Survival groups will be composed of a variety of diverse folk, shortly after the shift and in the long term.
(NancyL) ZT: We will give some examples, in explanation, as the variety possible is endless, but some predictable patterns will repeat often.
(NancyL) ZT: Example 1: A family, with close friends, and extended family members have for some years been talking prophecy and watching the earth changes.
(NancyL) ZT: They are serious, plan to the extent that their pocket books and other obligations allow, so have a site, supplies put aside, and an escape plan laid out.
(NancyL) ZT: The week of rotation stoppage arrives, and many of the group are already at the site, the others en route.
(NancyL) ZT: Several scenarios may ensue, depending upon location, neighbors, and personalities involved:
(NancyL) ZT: a) The group may be compatible and isolated, and subsist for many months before venturing forth to meet others.
(NancyL) ZT: b) The group may find fighting breaks out, certain member becoming hostile and demanding and unable to live under the constraints understood. This many result in that member being expelled, and returning with others to loot and take revenge.
(NancyL) This may result in continuing hostilities in the group, making life unpleasant and creasing stress diseases.
(NancyL) ZT: c) The group may not be isolated, and find neighbors coming with their hands out, starving, or demanding.
(NancyL) ZT: This may results in sharing all around, creating starvation in the group or arguments, or may results in a larger and compatible community with the neighbors, all sharing resources and ideas.
(NancyL) ZT: d) The group may be known at large, NOT kept a secret as planned, and have organized looting by the US Military or local government, looking for hoarded supplies.
(NancyL) ZT: This would place the group into the same position they would have been had they NOT planned at all, on foot, without supplies, and perhaps without a place to stay.
(NancyL) ZT: Example 2: A family has no opportunity to plan, or gather supplies, but is prepared to escape to a safe area, leave the city.
(NancyL) ZT: The family finds themselves afterwards with no more than a few bottles of water and canned goods, a sweater, and a few hand tools in a backpack.
(NancyL) ZT: They wander into the country side, find a friendly farm famnily, and all begin working on mutual goals and tasks.
(NancyL) ZT: They are joined by others, also on foot or stranded, and those not compatible LEAVE, those compatible fit in, and the community grows.
(NancyL) ZT: The farm is isolated, by nature, so not that many arrive, and the sorting out process proceeds without being overwhelmed.
(NancyL) ZT: Example 3: A mid-sized community, seeing the earth changes and hearing predictions, decides to hold community meetings, town hall, and lay plans.
(NancyL) ZT: The mayor is respected and doing his best, the community has many community minded groups and citizens, and serious discussions are held concerning problems.
(NancyL) ZT: They bottle water, comandeer food and supplies from local stores, assess individual and family needs, and try their best to function as a governed community.
(NancyL) ZT: The shift comes, and houses are blown off foundations, injuried everywhere beyond what the trained medical personnel can deal with, and many heart attacks and strokes occur, a medical nightmare.
(NancyL) ZT: Those who were to be responsible are in the main simply not FOUND, are off wandering or sitting in the shadows, overwhelmed, gone mad, or failing to deliver on their promises, a frequent human situation.
(NancyL) ZT: Food in storage holds is found missing, looted by those who knew about it and panic'd, thinking of themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: Those trying to meed the needs of the community and follow through on the plans laid become exhausted, stumble about in fatigue, and finally simply sleep or get sick from the effort.
(NancyL) ZT: Fights break out among the demanding, who many have had a role to play, forgotten this, and reverted to their true personalities when pleasant life in the town disappeared and distress arrived.
(NancyL) ZT: Some new heros emerge, but like the few trying to carry out the plan, they too become exhuasted, as the marjoity are NOT these, but the childish, the selfish, and the demanding.
(NancyL) ZT: Service-to-Other folk are in the minority, worldwide, and this expresses when stressful times arrive.
(NancyL) ZT: In time, families headed by STO individuals remove themselves from this scene, taking themselves and their dependents elsewhere, into sxmaller groups.
(NancyL) ZT: In time, those who have not died, looted and then starved, or left, will be the immmature in good health and strenght, who will eventually go wandering in search of better times.
(NancyL) ZT: End Examples:
(QueenVee) The room can now ask related follow-up questions.
(BobS) wow
(Erica28) sounds like fun eerrrrr
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the best laid plans most often do NOT work out, and spontaneous meetings, often guided, work out best.
(NancyL) End ZT followup?
(QueenVee) The room can now ask related follow-up questions.
(IaNZ) Thanks Nancy.talking about these same possibilities with my wife in bed this AM. Whether to lie low, or to try and find help our surviving neighbours. STS or STO ???
(Spanky) how big must a group be to get Zetan/hybrid assistance?
(Samsara2003) Gee - I can't wait for the poleshift days...
(Sundar) ZT: how will groups communicate? Will they use automobiles?
(NancyL) Spanky, size does not matter :-)
(QueenVee) Spanky: it's not the size of the group, it's the orientation
(Samsara2003) And I volunteered for this planetary service?? Jeesh...
(Obany) Sundar: check ZetaTalk and Troubled Times ...
(Spanky) maybe an aftertime group can raise mice like that movie Never Cry Wolf
(Sundar) ZT: will there be any science/education books/material survive the shift?
(IdolHarobed) :)
(NancyL) Sundar, autos? Oh please. No roads, no gas, worthless autos.
(Erica28) baby steps,survive---keep moving,seek help n help others --- then you'll be o in a road warrior way
(Spanky) im making a big binder of TT/ZT material
(Erica28) ok
(NancyL) Sundar, if YOU save them, planning to? It is up to YOU.
(Samsara2003) On what criteria can we quickly assimilate whether or not to include others in our survival groups PRIOR to the shift?
(Sundar) ZT: Looks like people will become illiterate in a decade after the pole shift
(NancyL) ZT to Samsara: ...
(NancyL) ZT: Nancy and ourselves are often asked HOW one can determine if a stranger, or even a familiar friend, is STO or STS.
(NancyL) ZT: Those who are mature entities can sense this in the other's spirit, the soul, instantly.
(NancyL) ZT: Nancy is often criticized for being abrupt with a questioner, but she KNOWS the reason for the questions, to approach, the offer, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: It is not the actions of the other, nor the words, that give this clue. How does she know? She reaches out and senses the intent of the SOUL, and was wise in this judgement prior to this incarnation, one of the reasons she was allowed to proceed on this Communications role she has assumed, with all our support.
(NancyL) ZT: Immature entities, those young, who are always in an undecided positions, NOT fully STO in their orientation, are confused.
(NancyL) ZT: They are confused because THEY have not yet sorted out their OWN motivations, goals, and agendas.
(NancyL) ZT: They THEMSELVES are presenting a persona that is often false, to the world, and reassuring themselves that they have better motives than is true.
(NancyL) ZT: The THEMSELVES have hidden agendas, will fail to deliver on promises, and are looking for others to support them when times get tight, though posturing otherwise.
(NancyL) ZT: They do not know themselves, are not being honest with themselves as this is discomfiting, so are hardly known to others by the face they present.
(NancyL) ZT: If anyone questions this analysis, thinking themselves more mature, then the proof is simple.
(NancyL) ZT: Go into a messy human situation, into poverty, disease, helping the lowest of mankind as Mother Teresa did in India, living among them.
(NancyL) ZT: One does not have far to go for this, as misery is everywhere.
(NancyL) ZT: If one balks, makes excuses, cannot stay for more than a moment, then you HAVE your answer!
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, for those who want a criteria to determine STO or STS, we say that first you must know YOURSELF, as otherwise you simply cannot determine.
(NancyL) End ZT on this.
(Domicile) Will STO's have any assistance in moving to STO enhanced communities?
(IdolHarobed) NancyL: I'm just curious, when you get yourself to a safe place?
(QueenVee) wow, powerful response
(PGill) know thyself...something I believe firmly in
(NancyL) ZT to Domicile: ...
(Ummite) If United nation inspector say that is no prob in irak do american will start the war against the resolution of U.N
(NancyL) ZT: Truly STO individuals, with dependents if they do not interfer with the STO nature of the individual, are being guided now.
(NancyL) ZT: This most often starts by the individual giving the Call, as they see situations around them becoming less secure, changes not explained by the establishment, and wish to continue to aid those they feel responsible for.
(NancyL) ZT: The Call results in visitations, and the STO individual gets informed of the coming times, and is assisted in sorting out their personal plans.
(NancyL) ZT: ZT: For many, they cannot MAKE solid plans, due to being underfunded or over extended personally, in committements to others.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the STO individual often has a last-minute plan, to escape, with loved ones who will certianly need assistance, to postion themselvses where they can help others in the immediate Aftertime.
(NancyL) ZT: Often, the STO individual plans to go into the worst situations, into collapsed cities to rescue the innocent, the orphans, and take them to better places.
(NancyL) ZT: They are being guided as to where to TAKE these troups of orphans, chosen not solely due to their need, but to their orientation, else Lord of the Flies result.
(NancyL) ZT: And this giving of the Call, and Visitations, and being guided will only increase during the shift, and afterwards.
(NancyL) End ZT re this.
(QueenVee) 2. The Zeta's have stated that we are making some of our preparations for the poleshift and aftertime on an unconscious basis. Some of us are experiencing changes in our sleeping, eating, and other habits; are such changes the result of subconscious preparation, and how can we recognize and trust other clues of subconscious preparation?
(NancyL) ZT: Reactions to the changing times are varied, and in only a FEW cases represent preparations, most often representing stress reactions.
(NancyL) ZT: Individuals expecting to reduce their live, to live more simply, will not necessarily eat less, exercise more, or have their teeth fixed.
(NancyL) ZT: All these changes are short term, as rotting teeth will return, and someone slightly overweight might find this well packed meal handy.
(NancyL) ZT: What are symptoms of true preparation? Substantial moves, such as leaving the city and moving to rural areas, for one.
(NancyL) ZT: Practicing gardening, or fishing with simple tools, or walking about in the country side munching on weeds or bugs.
(NancyL) ZT: These are SERIOUS steps, that directly relate.
(NancyL) ZT: What are symptoms of anxiety, or self concern, or simply trying to adjust to society to increase security by fitting in?
(NancyL) ZT: Getting fit, trim, learning a new language, experimenting with recipes, or getting up earlier in the day can be interpreated as the type of activity one undertakes to be considered more fit, a better citizen, a more desireable spouse or date.
(NancyL) ZT: The types of activities that are TRUE preparation for survivial after the shift are so odd as to be the last chosen by those trying to be a good citizen, or spouse, or date.
(NancyL) ZT: Does one work with hand tools in the basement, on wood? Hod odd, when power tools are the cool thing.
(NancyL) ZT: Does one plant vegetables, in the yard formerly used for golf swings? How odd, when the boss does not garden, but golfs.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, those who suspect they are subconsciously preparing for the shift can line their new activities up against what is REALLY required, or alternatively up against what society would approve of.
(NancyL) ZT: Which fits? This will determine what you are up to!
(NancyL) End ZT on this...
(QueenVee) The room can now ask related follow-up questions.
(Spanky) what is the orientation of someone who is concerned about the welfare of others, but DEMANDS that they are in charge. (this will probably happen if a doctor/ community leader is in the group)
(NancyL) ZT to Spanky:
(Casper) good question
(NancyL) ZT: STO or STS orientation cannot be determined strickly by action, by a rule of thumb, as it depends.
(NancyL) ZT: As we have explained, a gruff person can be self centered, or just angry because they see that harm will come to others unaware.
(NancyL) ZT: A demanding person might be demanding for the self, although presenting the demands as for others, and this cannot be determined unless one looks to the RESULT of the demand.
(NancyL) ZT: Someone barking orders can be simply trying to be in control, or trying to organize the confused and disoriented.
(NancyL) ZT: There is simply no way to describe every situation, as they all vary.
(NancyL) ZT: STO or STS motives are best determined by the RESULT of the action, as a test of motive, and what the individual is willing to do.
(NancyL) ZT: If an STO individual is barking orders, saying that all should move to higher ground, leaving the food stocks, but insists on REMAINING with the food stocks, then you have your answer.
(NancyL) ZT: This individual intends to run off with them, most likely, else would suggest that all carry a portion to higher ground, the food stocks in many hands, not just in the hands of the individual barking orders.
(NancyL) ZT: If an STO individual is caring for the dying, binding wounds and comforting the frightened, endlessly for hours, and there is scaresly any benefit to the individual, then they are displaying true STO behaviour.
(NancyL) ZT: If they are insisting on being in a control room sitting on the medical supplies, and parsing out based on intellectual decisions as to need, then this is suspect.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, one should look to the ACTIONS, the willingness of the individual to get down and dirty, to share decisions, to dispurse goods into many hands, to trust others, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not an easy answer for those who are not mature souls, who can recognize instantly the orientation of another.
(NancyL) Enbd ZT on this ...
(QueenVee) 3. Have all humans on earth right now made an unconscious decision about whether they will or will not survive the poleshift? Were most of those decisions made pre-birth, or are some still in the process of making that decision?
(NancyL) ZT: Of the 4 billion souls NOT formerly incarnated, who may or may not spark during this lifetime on Earth, there have hardly been pre-birth understanding of the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Of the billion who are reincarnating, almost none knew of the pending shift, even if they have lived through them previously.
(NancyL) ZT: The reason for this is simple: mankind is here, in 3rd Density, to make his orinetation decision, and this is BEST made when he is presented unexpectedly by situations.
(NancyL) ZT: To be warned, to have time to plan, to place himselve in safe quarters and countries and situations, REDUCES these opportunities.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, warnings, prebirth or otherwise, are NOT done, and avoided in fact.
(NancyL) End ZT on this ...
(NancyL) Are we ending the hour? My clock shows 34 minutes after the hour.
(NancyL) Queen, is your agenda a mile long yet?
(QueenVee) one more question, nancy, on the agenda
(QueenVee) one more please?
(NancyL) OK :-)
(QueenVee) 4. The Zetas have said that Scandinavian are more likely to warn and prepare their people for the poleshift. How would they do that, in practical terms, and how far in advance of the shift? Are there any other countries that will try to help their citizens?
(NancyL) ZT: We have speculated that the Scandinavian countries, such as Sweden, would warn their citizens in the week or so before the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Sweden is a country that is isolated from others by water, and is limiting immigration today as it is considered a desireable social demoncracy in which to live.
(NancyL) ZT: When rotation stops, there can hardly be ANY doubt of our warnings, so announcements will not be presumed to induce panic.
(NancyL) ZT: Panic is already in place!
(NancyL) ZT: Sweden is also in a good position for doing right by their citizens as they have high country as well as shorelines, and already do ocean fishing.
(NancyL) ZT: A simply announcements, to avoid the shorelines and move upland, during the warm spring when this warning would be issues, would not be out of line.
(NancyL) ZT: Nor would parsing out any supplies the country has, among the hungry, directly after the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: In countries where there is NO upland to go to, no warning would be issued, as in India.
(NancyL) ZT: In countries where the elite establishement cares not for the public, such as in Indonesia, no warning would be given as the elite are escaping to Australia, and part of their bargain is to DELAY alerting their populace so as to reduce survival and hords landing on the shores of Australia.
(NancyL) ZT: In countries such as Brazil, where the establishemnt has mixed roots to the populace and the elite, rumors will spread like wide fires and many wil flee, or attempt to flee, to safety.
(NancyL) ZT: Such flight will meet the same fate whether warning is given early or late, as the roadways will clog, cars break down, planes fail to take off or land properly, and the eventual hills such depserate land upon fail to feed them for long.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, is it NOT just the warning, but where those warned can go, and what can be done to feed or care for them afterwards, that matters.
(NancyL) ZT: A warning given to those who can scarsely survive is a warning that can only, in truth, prepare the warned for death.
(NancyL) ZT: Where survival is possible, warnings are more likely to be given.
(NancyL) End ZT on this ...
(TWright) What kind of warnings will the United States issue, if any? And does the humming sounds in Kokomo Indiana have anything to do with the burrowing for the carry on government?
(QueenVee) THAT'S THE END OF THIS ZETATALK SESSION!. Thanks to NANCY and the ROOM for great ZetaTalk!
(QueenVee) Nancy's next ZetaTalk Session will begin in the #zetatalk channel in XX minutes. To get there, simply type the following and hit enter: /join #zetatalk But please feel free to stay in this channel to chat as long as you like.
(NancyL) I must break, and prepare for the next session! Great Q;'s Queen, as always!!
Session Close: Sat Dec 07 15:53:36 2002