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Live ZetaTalk Chat on Nov 17, 2001

Session Start: Sat Nov 17 15:51:34 2001
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(S7L) There is the suggestion that the IRC chat could be conducted without the moderation, although I have my doubts about how well that would work out.
(Jurian) We'll keep this unmoderated as long as people don't start talking about other things, I guess
(Jurian) See how that works out
(NancyL) OK, we can go unmoderated, all in this room, I have not objection as long as only those invited to the stage comment, until the Questions? statement from me, OK?
(S7L) I deeply wish it will work out!
(Jurian) If people start talking while they shouldn't, we'll just turn moderation on :)
(NancyL) For those already in the audience, here's the agenda today, accepted questions.
(NancyL) => Hour of the Shift
(NancyL) - During the rotation stoppage, how hot will the air get on the day side of the Earth?
(NancyL) TessaF
(NancyL) - Will the sweeping tail tail cause travel problems ahead of the shift, or be a safety concern?
(NancyL) TessaF
(NancyL) => Innoculations
(NancyL) - Will the public be poisoned with smallpox or other innoculations, the Gulf War syndrome,
(NancyL) prior to the shift? Should all innoculations be avoided?
(NancyL) MattB
(NancyL) MikeO
(NancyL) => Martial Law
(NancyL) - Are there plans in the US or elsewhere to impose Martial Law at this time?
(NancyL) MattB
(NancyL) => Government
(NancyL) - Will nuclear power plants, as well as bomb heads, be turned off and deactivates prior to the
(NancyL) shift?
(NancyL) TessaF
(NancyL) - How will governments other than US deal with the PS
(NancyL) GerardZ
(NancyL) - Are US Geo quake states being fudged, deliberately.
(NancyL) MikeO
(NancyL) End Q's
(Jurian) Quite a list :-)
(NancyL) I think we can get to the end in an hour. Last time the Q's fit nicely.
(Jurian) Yep, they sure did
(Jurian) Less people than last time now tho
(S7L) Would there be some time for general chitchat, or will we stick to the agenda?
(Jurian) Last time there were about 25 people
(NancyL) We'll stick to the agenda, and the audience should ONLY comment when I ask, after answering an accepted question, if there are followup questions.
(NancyL) Then, the subject matter should be adheared to. In otherwords, don't ask about the Annunaki if the subject is quake statistics :-).
(Jurian) lol, fair enough :)
(S7L) Ok. I agree to these rules.
(NancyL) If you want a question addressed, on the agenda, then send me a web based e-mail from my Contact Nancy menu item on my home page.
(NancyL) My clock may be a bit off, I have 4 minutes after. Is it time?
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(Jurian) It's 2 past
(Jurian) So lets start if you're ready :)
(NancyL) If Tesse is not here yet, I'll start with Innocuations. I'll start.
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(NancyL) Welcome to the second IRC chat. We have some new rules today, hoping the audience is cooperative.
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(NancyL) We will conduct the chat in ONE room, so the audience can post follow-up questions directly when the opportunity comes up after each ZT answer.
(NancyL) I will ask for these follow-up questions, so wait please for this clue.
(NancyL) The first question was from a couple of folks, re Innoculations. MikeO and MattB, who may or may not be here.
(NancyL) I'll post the question:
(NancyL) - Will the public be poisoned with smallpox or other innoculations, the Gulf War syndrome,
(NancyL) prior to the shift? Should all innoculations be avoided?
(NancyL) ZT: There are some elements of the US government who long for this means of eliminating unwanted human baggage.
(NancyL) ZT: There are also many countries, industrialized as well as Third World, who are closely watching this play out, as they also would like to use such a solution.
(NancyL) ZT: However, the complications today outweigh the rewards:
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(NancyL) ZT: 1. Unless announced to a broad segment of society, the innoculations might afflict the families and loved ones of the elite, or the elite themselves. Being able to steer the public to certain innoculation batches is difficult.
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(NancyL) ZT: 2. The virus in the innoculations intended to infect and disable the unwanted segment of the public can escape, be passed from person to person, and like AIDs and Ebola, get out of hand.
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(NancyL) ZT: 3. At present, mass illness would overwhelm the public health system, and take too many workers out of the work force, causing discomfort to the elite who rely on the wheels of commerce going on as before for their wealth and comfort.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, those contenplating this get too many arguments thrown at them everytime they suggest it, and the matter gets endlessly deferred to the future.
(NancyL) ZT: By the time that the pole shift is upon these elite power mongers, there will not be time to muster such an operation.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, it is unlikely to occur, except in isolated settings where the elite are fearful of panic and demands, and nothing more is to be gained from the public to be poisoned by innoculations.
(NancyL) ZT: The key to look for is a great press by the government or administering body to TAKE the innoculations, and the setting where the public has grown restless and demanding, with the pole shift just around the corner.
(NancyL) End ZT. Follow-up questions?
(MikeO) Would the Zetas recommend that we get certain inoculations before the shift -- for instance to prepare for bad water and contagious diseases spread by dead bodies?
(NancyL) ZT: At this time, innoculations should be considered safe. Gulf War syndrom was a deliberate test, the poisons and germs not present in the general innoculations given to the public. Thus, follow the advice of doctors, and your own common sense. They are as safe as they were last year, or a decade ago, etc.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) I'll procede to the first questions, as Tesse has joined us.
(NancyL) Hour of the Shift
(Tessa) Yes, alright
(NancyL) - During the rotation stoppage, how hot will the air get on the day side of the Earth?
(NancyL) - Will the sweeping tail tail cause travel problems ahead of the shift, or be a safety concern?
(Tessa) Yes, exactly these are my questions. Thank you.
(NancyL) ZT: Fokelore stands as a guide as to what can be expected during the hours preceding the shift, and the shift itself.
(NancyL) ZT: Of course, folklore only relays information from SURVIVORS, not those who died during these moments.
(NancyL) ZT: The tail of the 12th Planet streams outward from the Sun, pushed there by the solar wind. Thus, it does not sweep the Earth until the 12th Planet is positioned between the Earth and Sun, a short moment in time.
(NancyL) ZT: During the time of the Jewish Exodus, it was reported that Moses was able to turn the waters of the Nile red, with his staff. Of course, this was the red dust in the tail doing this, but having been forwarned that the moment was upon them, Moses took advantage.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, one can see from folklore that the tail dusting was in effect at least a few hours before the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: The tail sweep includes first the red dust, most likely to be in a cloud around the tail, then heavier gravel, then lastly boulders.
(NancyL) ZT: Gravel is defined in folklore as hail stones, which can injure homes and humans and animals alike caught under such a deluge.
(NancyL) ZT: Boulders cannot be defended against, but are rare. Like a meteor dropping from the sky, should one land upon you, your next incarnation is at hand!
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, dusting with red dust should be considered a WARNING to take cover, under metal or sod roof structures, out of the wind. The shift cannot be more than a few hours away.
(NancyL) ZT: During the week of rotation stoppage, the normal heating and cooling that occurs during rotation stops.
(NancyL) ZT: This means that the day side of the Earth warms up without cooling, and likewise the night side cools down without warning up under sunlight the next day.
(NancyL) ZT: Where does this lead, in a week? Will one side of the Earth cook, while the other freezes?
(NancyL) ZT: Folklore likewise tells mankind that such a situation does not occur, as there are survivors, and these survivors do NOT relay such problems.
(NancyL) ZT: In fact, due to the atmosphere moving about, hot air rising and cool air dropping, as usual, there IS exchange of heat and cold, even without rotation.
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(NancyL) ZT: Thus, those in the day side will find it may be as hot as a very hot summer day, but no worse, and those in the night side may find they need to break out the blankets and turn on the furnace or start a fire, as in winter, but no worse than this.
(NancyL) End ZT. Followup questions?
(S7L) There is knowledge, however, that red dust will precede the shift, and time scale is, in less than 5 hours, say, rather than, say 24 hours or later?
(Tessa) Thanks so far. Will the sweeping of the comets tail end BEFORE the actual shift?
(S7L) So that this red dust will be a rather urgent warning to get to shelter NOW.
(NancyL) ZT: The dusting with red dust occurs LESS than 24 hours, and most likely less than 12 hours.
(S7L) This answers my question.
(NancyL) ZT: This depends upon a number of factors, including how well the dust drops through the atmosphere to be deposited on land where the very first evidence will be closely watched for and thus observed.
(NancyL) ZT: In one location, the first sign of dust may be 18 hours ahead of the shift, and all run in panic to shelters. In another location, dust may not be noticed until heavy, perhaps 6 hours ahead of the shift, a good time to head for the shelters in any case.
(NancyL) End ZT.
(S7L) Where can be the first sign of dust be best observed?
(S7L) For instance, can you see it best in water, or over ground or in some place like over a white plastic surface.
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(NancyL) ZT: The tail sweep will proceed from red dust prior to the shift, to hail stones just ahead of the shift. Thus, the public will scarsely notice the lack of red dust, which has not stopped but been displaced by more bothersome debris.
(NancyL) ZT: By the time hail stones are dropping, few will be noticing the dust, but will be running for cover.
(NancyL) ZT: Just as well, as the shift is upon them!
(NancyL) End ZT.
(S7L) Heh, all right.
(Jsss) What size hailstone should we build a shelter against?
(Jsss) If I may ask
(NancyL) ZT: The red dust is more distinct when in water, which reflects light so that the coloring can be clearly seen. However, any white cloth can give evidence of this. Folklore reports red rivers and the like, as this was the DRAMATIC result of dust which otherwise fell between stones or blew into crevices, unnoticed.
(NancyL) End ZT
(Tessa) Alright. Are there any plans among the elite/governments to turn off nuclear power plants a few weeks/days before the PS so as to spare the survivors radioactive poisoning? So to speak a little accomodation in the end?
(Tessa) The last rest of honesty?
(NancyL) ZT: The hail stones are carried in the tail, being attracted by gravity to the traveling 12th Planet but unless close to the planet being torn away during its travels.
(Jurian) Tessa: Please wait with questions that aren't related with the current one, things will get too messy otherwise :-)
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the hail stones are momentary passengers, unlike the dust which has a magnetic reason for being attached, or the boulders which are like small moons and have a gravity interaction ongoing.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, a normal roof would protect from the hail stones, which will be like the hail experienced during violent windstorms, where hail of ice falls and ruins crops.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Next Question to be posted now, as Tesse indicated.
(Tessa) Yes, thanks
(Jsss) Thanks a lot
(NancyL) Government Honesty
(NancyL) - Will nuclear power plants, as well as bomb heads, be turned off and deactivates prior to the shift?
(NancyL) - How will governments other than US deal with the PS
(NancyL) - Are US Geo quake states being fudged, deliberately.
(NancyL) ZT: Among those in power, which are primarily the industrialized giants and the economic giants including those in the banking system, this is often discussed.
(NancyL) ZT: Should the governments come clean, at the last minute, and tell the public what is about to occur? If so, what is the moment to do so? An hour ahead, a week?
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(NancyL) ZT: This is a heated subject, with anyone seeming too sympathetic with the public being harshly warned not to leak information, and an occasional accidental death announced grimly as a reminder that this enforcement can and is easily used.
(NancyL) ZT: As the earlier agreements between the US and the former Russian indicate, deactivating nuclear bombs has been in process for some time.
(NancyL) ZT: The public is not told just how far this has gone, so the deterent still exists. It is far beyond the schedule announced, as neither country wants to see itself poisoned by what it keeps in its bed.
(NancyL) ZT: Power plants are another matter, as to turn them off or deactivate them would be a clear clue to a watching public that something was amis!
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, this step can be expected only after rotation has stopped, in the week prior to the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: The public should prepare for panic in the administration, such that this might get overlooked. The turn-off plans are known to many, and access to these plants afforded to a number of individuals, such that no single individual is key to deactivating a nuclear power plant.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, bringing this subject up when it is clear the shift is approaching, to those in government in a broad setting so many ears can hear the concerns, will be the best insurance that this DOES occur.
(NancyL) ZT: Countries outside the inner circle of knowlege about the coming shift are reacting at present to weather and crop problems as they have in the past.
(NancyL) ZT: Police are mustered to keep riots down, so starvation proceeds quietly.
(NancyL) ZT: Should they learn that the Earth will undergo the changes it will, those in power can be expected to react as they do today to situations threatening themselves or the public they are responsible for.
(NancyL) ZT: In countries where caring concern exists, such as the Scandinavian countries, it could be expected that announcements close to the truth are made to the public.
(NancyL) ZT: The public would move inland, and be supportive of each other, in the main, with little rioting.
(NancyL) ZT: In countries where the elite deal harshly with the public, living in great weathly while misery lies just outside their doors, a coverup can be assumed to occur.
(NancyL) ZT: Where such wealthy elite learn of coming changes, they will think first of themselves, and flee if this is called for, to safety, or stock up and batten down against demands from the starving public.
(NancyL) ZT: In those countries where disinformation and denial are in place, such as in the US where the warming core of the Earth, increasing earthquakes, and crop shortages are simply not discussed in the news nor admitted to, this status quo can be expected to continue.
(NancyL) ZT: Any facts and figures that would alert or alarm the public will kept from the DIRECT or MAINSTREAM news, but will be allowed on the Internet or back page news.
(NancyL) ZT: The reason for this seeming contradiction is that the powers that be, the controling elite, feel that unless some steps to prepare for survival are taken, the elite themselves would not have a serf or working class to rule.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, honesty in government is in keeping with their current stance, and unlikely to change in the months and days going into the shift.
(NancyL) End ZT. Follow-up questions?
(S7L) How far-spread is the knowledge about the approach of X in the various governments in the world? You mentioned not all of the governments are aware. How is this knowledge distributed on the globe currently?
(JustaGuy) Can you name some of the "accidental" deaths - people who wanted to leak info?
(Jurian) IF any of the power plants survive the shift, will they be brought back online, if possible, so 'civilization' can start to rebuild itself, around these plants, or will they all be destroyed, or unable to be maintained?
(Jonnie) So much info has been given to us about the pending earth change. The last days (hrs.) so on. Why haven't we been given the technology to see this through? Surely you must have it. Is it not wrong not to intervene?
(NancyL) ZT: Re accidental deaths, Bill Cooper is a recent example. He warned about innocuation plans, in the past, and this brought a quick knee-jerk reaction. He was out and about with a gun in his hand, having sensed this was about to occur. Thus, his "arrest" resulted in his death.
(NancyL) ZT: Re how many governments are aware of the approach of a shift. Few. A half dozen are in the loop, with another dozen suspecting but not told.
(NancyL) ZT: This is of course not a change from the status quo among governments. In the past, economic conspiracies would exist, be suspected, but never proven.
(NancyL) ZT: The CIA, working for the US as a democracy, has destroyed and brought down many fledgling demoncracies, elected governments.
(NancyL) ZT: This is known, was known, yet the CIA never called to account. Those countries outside of the inner circle have been there all along, so suspecting yet another conspiracy of silence is not something they would loudly proclaim.
(NancyL) ZT: They have long since learned to live with this situation, and understand that more information is learned from those closely holding their tongues, who can be trusted to do so.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the industrialized giants - the US, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, and Japan are in the know.
(NancyL) ZT: Countries suspecting are those surrounding these - Canada, Mexico, the EU.
(NancyL) ZT: Those watching nervously as the US treats global warming as a nonentity to be dismissed, while the weather howls, include the rest - China, Africa, Australia, and South America.
(NancyL) End ZT
(Ad_21) How many days are going to be in a year and what will be the earth's tilt after the shift?
(S7L) Thank you.
(NancyL) ZT: Nuclear power plants will not be reactivated, due to disruption of the mechanisms during the shift. Few are constructed to withstand earthquakes, few placed on fault lines for this reason.
(NancyL) ZT: For those who expect rescue, technology to help survivors, this is simply not in the cards.
(Jurian) Ok, that answered my question :-)
(Shiznaught`) How successfull will the ruling elite be in regaining power after the poleshift?
(NancyL) ZT: As we have explained in existing ZetaTalk, your incarnation is a learning experience, and the pole shift considered no more sever than a tornado or hurricane or forest fire or disease.
(NancyL) ZT: You have these today, afflicting you and your neighbors. Do you rescue them, or desert them?
(NancyL) ZT: Do you receive help from benign space brothers today? You are expected to help EACH OTHER, and thus grow spiritually, and learn to challenge those who would take advantage of you.
(NancyL) ZT: Consider this the opportunity it is, as rescue will not occur for those demanding it.
(NancyL) End ZT.
(EBE) NancyL, can I talk to the public - friends about this mater ?
(Jurian) Heh, that sounds like Star Trek's prime directive :-)
(Shiznaught`) Jurian; yep
(S7L) I must agree the lesson to learn help one other is a tough one, though obvious. But we drift from the main course here ...
(NancyL) ZT: The new calendar will be established after the shift, with scarsely anyone taking notice. This will not be dissimilar to what you have today. Be patient, and it will be an exercise to pass the long dark days and nights. It does take some time to establish itself, a few years in fact, so is not immediately determined.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) ZT: The elite will maintain control for only a limited period of time. Their enclaves will in fact become a hell, something they least expect.
(NancyL) ZT: Imagine what their armed milita will think, once they realize there will be no court to rule, no police to catch them, and no laws being enforced.
(S7L) How many such elite groups are there to be expected?
(NancyL) ZT: The first thought is to take from those they were hired to guard, steal and rape and loot. When there is no punishment, as there seldom will be, this will increase until only the strong survive.
(NancyL) ZT: At this point the story plays out with merry looting going on without planning for the future, until one night there is nothing to eat or keep warm with, and death results.
(NancyL) ZT: Those in the Service-to-Self do not plan well, nor cooperate with each other, and meet their demise when plungering no longer sustains them.
(NancyL) End ZT.
(NancyL) I believe we're at the close of the hour, with only one question received not addressed. We can revisit Martial Law next week, if still of interest.
(NancyL) Good session. I'll be posting the log and adding new ZetaTalk into the body proper of ZetaTalk, etc.
(NancyL) Good night all! Thanks again to our loyal IRC shepherds, Jurian and Gerard!
(Jurian) You're welcome :-)
(NancyL) You'all can continue to chat if you wish, etc.
(GerardZ) Thnx :)
(NancyL) Bye!
(Jurian) And thanks to the Zeta's, of course :-)
(S7L) It was a pleasure to have you here, Nancy.
Session Close: Sat Nov 17 17:13:17 2001