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Live ZetaTalk Chat on Feb 2, 2002

Session Start: Sat Feb 02 15:51:09 2002
(NancyL) OK approaching the hour. Going to start.
(Michael) Ok thanks guys
(IQx) Lets all calm down now, allow NancyL to speak, thank you all.
(NancyL) Please remember to hold your questions until I say End ZT Followup? and then ask.
(Anc) NancyL: I remember you gave them the locations for 17. Jan
(NancyL) Else, I must go back and look for them, and would likely miss them. Your consideration is appreciated.
(Anc) NancyL: ok
(NancyL) Starting now.
(NancyL) 1. I live in Flagstaff AZ, and at about 12:00 am on Jan 27th I came out of a movie theatre and immediatly noticed a huge ring around our moon. I have never witnessed anything like it before. I called a friend in Phoenix, which is two hours away, and asked him if he saw the same thing. He saw it as well, so obviously it was not anything atmosphericly isolated to Flagstaff. I was just wondering if this was seen elsewhere, or whether this phenomina has happened before.
(Elizagirl67) Hi all
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that as the time of the passage approaches, that earthquakes and volcanic eruptions will increase, as well as weather irregularities.
(NancyL) ZT: These are all in evidence and can be charted, so the increase is palpable.
(NancyL) ZT: In addition, we have stated as early as 1995 that weather irregularities will include droughts and deluges, interchanging, such that it approaches snow in summer and early spring occurring in mid-winter.
(NancyL) ZT: This has become so commonplace as to no longer receive comment.
(NancyL) ZT: Green meteors, increasing in fire balls in the sky as meteors descend, and booms and flashes due to heaving seas and methane explosions are also increasingly reported.
(NancyL) ZT: These are all evidences of the Earth responding to her approaching brother, to increased swirling in the core, and the trash in the outer solar system waffing in as motion inward toward the solar system is increasing.
(NancyL) ZT: What other effects, not yet commented upon, but occurring or due to occur, can be expected?
(NancyL) ZT: In early 2002, a distinct halo around the Moon became noticeable, and this is directly related to increased ash in the atomosphere.
(NancyL) ZT: As is well noted in Troubled Times, there are more volcanoes active at the current time than in the memory of man.
(NancyL) ZT: This does not just affect the local area, as ash, fine ash, drifts upward and is carried world wide.
(NancyL) ZT: After the pole shift, this ash will create dramatic sunsets and dawns, far beyond what mankind expectes today.
(NancyL) ZT: An orange sky will become almost the norm, so that children born during this era will be shocked some decades hence when the sky turns blue.
(NancyL) ZT: But as the shift approaches, such halos will become more commonplace, surrounding the moon, bright lights, and cease to receive comment as even more disturbances distract troubled mankind.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(S7L) Does this ash, by the way, affect visibility of faint stars currently through telescopes?
(Akeybear) Ash like the explosion of Krakatoa?
(NancyL) ZT to S7L: In that viewing must be done THROUGH the atmosphere, yes.
(S7L) I just heard some people complain about this being a bad year for stargazing, due to weather or crystals high in atmosphere.
(Michael) Is David Icke a change agent? Or just a good natured loon?
(NancyL) ZT to Akeybear: During the shift, every volcanoe active within the last 10 years will explode, violently.
(S7L) Michael: not relevant question yet.
(NancyL) OK, next Q ..
(NancyL) 1. Is the human race inprisoned by the reptilians, as David Icke assures?
(Michael) Sorry
(NancyL) ZT: During the period between Roswell and the present, the alien presence has been variously presented to mankind as evil to good.
(NancyL) ZT: During the early years, the predominant presentation was evil, intending to enslave mankind and dominate the globe, perhaps eating man as a snack.
(NancyL) ZT: This view has migrated to the comic, as in the movie Men in Black, where a giant bug is fought off by good aliens and mankind as a team.
(NancyL) ZT: This trend, of reporting the alien presence as evil, is based in large part by the perception of MJ12 that the aliens they were first dealing with were of this mindset.
(NancyL) ZT: This perception was correct, as they were FIRST contacted by the ilk of the Omnipotent Krlll.
(Veronique) Hi all :-)
(NancyL) ZT: The extent of this group, during the time they had influence over MJ12, ran into many attrocities that the general public is scarscely aware of.
(NancyL) ZT: However, Nancy, in her engagement with MJ12, encountered these attrocities, and fought to alert MJ12 that they could Just Say No, as we have stated.
(NancyL) ZT: What were these attrocities? We will list a few.
(NancyL) ZT: It has been reported that street people were picked up and delivered for experiments to evil aliens in underground complexes.
(NancyL) ZT: This is true, and the experiments horrified those in the military assigned to deliver these hapless souls.
(NancyL) ZT: The experiments, akin to those used by the NAZI during WWII, were to instill a feeling of hopelessness in the bums picked up on the street, so to drive their souls into the STS orientation.
(NancyL) ZT: Enslavement, the sense that one cannot resist, the sense that one should align with the strong and turn on the weak, are techniques used to drive souls toward the STS orientation.
(NancyL) ZT: These experiments included maiming humans so their legs pointed backwards, or they could not stand up straight, but must assume humiliating stances.
(NancyL) ZT: There was no end to the creativity of these STS soldiers, who were specialists in these settings during Transformation times.
(Homy) Hello everyone
(Michael) Jesus
(NancyL) ZT: In addition, the CIA, created in the main from the folding NAZI SS, were influenced to abduct and kill babies, in the theory that aliens might be inhabiting baby bodies as an infiltration means.
(NancyL) ZT: These innocent babies, abducted in the 1940's, were killed in horrendously painful ways, the theory being that the aliens inhabiting their bodies would leap out and reveal themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: As with Satanism, the only accomplishment was that the CIA and military assigned to assist them turned increasingly to the STS orientation.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, even in 1994, when Nancy entered her engagement with MJ12, some of these actions were still in process.
(Akeybear) Wicked wicked people!
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, stories about street people reporting being taken underground, or about evil aliens lurking underground, have their basis.
(Michael) Yes, I'm shaking.
(NancyL) ZT: Meanwhile, increasingly during the decades between Roswell and the present, the good aliens who had likewise contacted MJ12 persisted.
(NancyL) ZT: Movies such as ET and Close Encounters have their basis in the growing perception that there were TWO types of aliens.
(Homy) I agree
(Akeybear) The good and the bad
(Misio) Gods and Demons.
(NancyL) ZT: However, there are those humans who could not sort this out, and continue to believe that ALL aliens are the bad sort, and one should have their guard up against them all.
(Michael) And Icke is one of those. I see.
(NancyL) ZT: A strong segment of the military and CIA likewise benefit from this perception, as they would like to see the public cling to them for defense, and not turn in curiosity or welcoming toward the alien presense.
(NancyL) ZT: This is simply territorial protection on their part, but nontheless the public is told horror stories ONLY by this crowd.
(NancyL) ZT: David Icke, while sincere, is being used by this crowd, who present him with so-called evidence that horrifies him.
(Veronique) Is there a question queue or what are the rules, please, I'm new, first time in this type of session...
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, it is difficult for those in the general public with nothing but conflicting stories to sort it out.
(NancyL) ZT: Not a small victim of this business is that those who would genuinely like to reach out to what they sense are visitors, are very fearful.
(NancyL) ZT: They essentially resign themselves to death, to being eaten or tortured, when giving The Call.
(NancyL) ZT: Wet with sweat, trembling, they return from their first contact, requiring days to adjust to the idea that the meeting was pleasant, interesting, and no harm was done to them.
(NancyL) ZT: The conflicting stories about alien intentions has become a type of war, between factions of the military and former MJ12 members, some of whom feel the good aliens could greatly assist mankind if an embrace and awakening were made.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, to some degree, it is a battle of the titans, with conflicting stories circulating on the Internet, both sides bashing each other mightily.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(HBO2) Of what density are the Krill, and when were they stopped from interacting, or were they?
(S7L) Regarding the street people experiment, why did they not "say no" to the aliens maiming them? Were they too terrified or assumed being powerless.
(Michael) I see. Thank you.
(Nathan-Laird) Do 4th density entities utilize for their own sustenance a 3rd density entity's physical form, emotions, energy, or thoughts? It is hypothesized that some 4th density entities may nourish themselves from the energy released in a human sexual orgasm, for instance. Just as we consume 1st density and 2nd density structures to enable our existence, we hypothesize this may be true of 4th density as well. I relate this back to the question.
(Longint) What changes affecting human-alien relationships there will be after the pole shift?
(Jos) If MJ12 is now majorily STO, where do the STS aliens have contact openly with people now, or do they not have open contact anymore?
(Duane) Why did the council of worlds allow this to happen?
(Wilhelm) Why do egoistic people want others to turn away from Truth? why couldn't anyone help these poor souls of experimentation?
(NancyL) ZT to HBO2: Krlll is 4th Density, but he and his team moved to 3rd Density for the contact. He has since left the area, not able to live in an environment he cannot dominate.
(HBO2) How do STS entities achieve higher density?
(NancyL) ZT to S7L: Just Say No was one of the first, and most important messages, we the Zetas issued via Nancy when ZetaTalk first came live within ISCNI in early 1995.
(Spanky) There was also an entity that bill cooper talked about called Anders. What do the zetas say about him/her.
(NancyL) ZT: We were and continue to be distressed when mankind does not realize they CAN Just Say No.
(Imaj12) PX Question: Pluto's orbit is highly eccentric. what does 9 x distance from pluto to the Sun *mean* ? current dist. pluto/sun? apogee, perigee? Sorry if out of turn.
(NancyL) ZT: MJ12 was unaware, to a final degree, until the engagement with Nancy where she demonstrated this, personally.
(Gerard) Imaj12: not related
(NancyL) ZT: Nancy volunteered to meet, for instance, a Dino, which did his best to intimidate her.
(Akeybear) Did the perpetrators use Hypnosis in their experiments? and 2 if one gives the Call, how does one know the Call was answered?
(NancyL) ZT: Suffice it to say that she gave him the finger, in challenge, with no repercussions.
(Michael) *L*
(Jurian) Lol
(Jurian) Bite me :p
(Clipper) I can see Nancy doing that:-)
(Michael) Well done Nancy
(NancyL) ZT: She likewise repeated this, going into the chambers where street people were maimed, inciting a rebellion among them when she demonstrated Just Say No.
(Homy) May I ask a question?
(NancyL) ZT: These chambers are now closed, as MJ12 realized they likewise could say NO.
(SteveH) Where the maimed people restored to their original condition?
(Elizagirl67) Were these aliens in human form when presenting themselves, or their own form.
(NancyL) ZT to Nathan: No eating of one entity by another is allowed, between orientations. Within the STS orientation, any manner of pecking order exercises might exist, as we have detailed.
(S7L) I thank Nancy/Zetas for the opportunity to bring this aspect into open.
(Elizagirl67) Thank S7L
(NancyL) ZT to Long: Alien-human interactions will greatly increase after the shift, as humans will be open to odd looking people when their world has been, literally, turned upside down.
(S7L) I said to Eliza in private that aliens can not assume human form. I take this to be the situation.
(NancyL) ZT: Those groups ready to accept this interchange, without undue anxiety, can expect contact, and if an STO group, technical assistance.
(Spud) I was late, what was the question please
(NancyL) ZT to Jos: MJ12 became majority STO as those assigning new members took the issue seriously, and chose the very best humans reps they knew.
(Elizagirl67) What is and who is MJ12.
(NancyL) ZT: There was a small segment of MJ12 which insisted the STS aliens they had long had a relationship with should not be just rejected, out of fear.
(Michael) ZetaTalk site explains that Elizagirl
(Veronique) Why do record in the ice samples of previous PS? I mean, they should be either 3500 years old or 7000 years old or so, but not dated 400,000 years if the poles changed direction?
(S7L) Eliza: read the government section of ZT
(NancyL) ZT: They argued that retaliation might result. Where they refused to provide human experiment subjects, they allowed these aliens to continue to live in underground chambers.
(S7L) Veronique: not related question. Most of our other geology doesn't fit with pole shift, either, so you can take the measurement of age having been based on errorneous assumptions.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, until MJ12 disbanded upon the Bush election coup, there was contact.
(NancyL) ZT: These aliens have since vacated, in that the benefit of rattling around down there was no longer evident.
(NancyL) ZT: They were needed in the battle for Africa, which is heated at present, having LOST the battle for the American mind, in essense.
(Michael) What will happen if Africa is lost?
(NancyL) ZT to Duane: Council allows humans to make their own minds up. This is our school house, they are not our parents.
(NancyL) OK, I may have lost most of the Q's, but they seem to relate around why people don't rise to the challenge and the like. This is the human condition right now. We must DECIDE, etc.
(Michael) So many wonderful animals in Africa-it would be terrible if it became a 4th D STS home.
(S7L) Michael: that don't happen.
(NancyL) ZT to Q on Anders, Bill Cooper's report. There are many aliens, good and bad, who were assigned names by MJ12 as humans require names in order to sort it all out.
(S7L) Michael: the work is about the souls of people in africa.
(Clipper) No time for that anymore.
(S7L) Not about the physical continent. It's all going to end in the STO way for Earth.
(Michael) Yep I know S7L.... But the Zetas say there's a battle on for souls there...
(Michael) So it COULD become a 4D STS home after the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: Their orientation crossed between STS and STO, as often the STS paint themselves as caring, and often the STO are firm and insistent on matters.
(Homy) What is STS and STO?
(S7L) Michael: yes, but not permanently. The people could be inclined to the 4th density STS until their death, at which point their reign would end.
(S7L) Homy: read ZetaTalk, Orientation section
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, to detail each fictious name assigned to real or immaginary aliens, and to counter each bit of disinfo, would be time consuming.
(Akeybear) Service to Self and Service to Others
(NancyL) Going onto the next Q ...
(Homy) Ah yes I recall tnxs
(Michael) I hope so S7L
(NancyL) 1. Recently people on tt-watch have ridiculed the extinction of the dinosaurs by means of a virus as the Zetas said. The fossil record indicates the dinosaurs were indeed declining before the mass extinction at the end of that era, suggesting that they were not wiped out by whatever catastrophe happened at that time. My question is what did cause the mass extinction of many species (not the dinosaurs) at the end of that era, and how does the iridium layer found in sediments of that era relate.
(NancyL) ZT: There has been an intense discussion on tt-watch about this matter, where it has been determined that the dinosaurs died out gradually, not suddently as a meteor winter would have caused.
(NancyL) ZT: At the same time, the discussion questioned how MANY species of dinosaurs could be similarly afflicted by a single virus.
(NancyL) ZT: Specialization in species is a concept understood by man, as he sees frog populations worldwide affected by the recent earth changes, such that they appear to be dying out.
(NancyL) ZT: Coral reefs likewise appear fragile, subject to polution damage.
(NancyL) ZT: The issue is not so much how HALE a creature is, as how vulnerable.
(NancyL) ZT: The T-Reg was huge, had evolved to a large size, as had the herbivors of those days.
(NancyL) ZT: Today, large whales migrate around the world in the oceans, and elephants rumble through the jungles, so this size should not be that surprising.
(NancyL) ZT: Yet the mammoth is extinct, in spite of living in great herds only millenia ago.
(NancyL) ZT: Mankind likewise could be wiped out by the AIDS virus, as it is routinely fatal with few proving to be immune.
(NancyL) ZT: A virus mutates, as the AIDS virus has such that a vacine cannot be developed effectively against it.
(NancyL) ZT: Ebola has likewise mutated and migrated, afflicting mankind now increasingly.
(NancyL) ZT: One might look back and say, in a hypothetical future, that man numbered 6 billion, had technology, but they all died out!
(NancyL) ZT: Those large dinosaurs that had immunity to the virus were nonetheless weakened, and struggled for food in this condition.
(NancyL) ZT: Smaller creatures who reached a bit of food made this go further, and struggled forward to reproduce and pass on their immunity.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, just as the last of the mammoth died because they were weakened from having to migrate back to the grasslands, and the young among them failed this migration, just so the large dinoasurs passed.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(S7L) Were the dinosaur a 3rd Density existence?
(Imaj12) Q: Aren't many "dinosaurs" still around? Evolved into avians?
(HBO2) Was the "dinosaur virus" natural, or manufactured as Zetas have said about AIDs & Ebola?
(Nathan-Laird) Do Zeta's encounter death due to virus in 4th density or do they have medical treatments for all potentially lethal viruses? Will humans still suffer from virus-related illness in 4th density? What advice can you give for post-poleshift life here, beyond strengthening immune system and good hygiene, to protect against viruses?
(NancyL) Dinosaur were 3rd Density, yes.
(S7L) That's cool
(Grudda) How does the population of over affect the environment?
(Wilhelm) How intelligent was the mammoth? Compared to elephant or whale.
(NancyL) ZT to Imaj12: Bird evolved from small reptiles, small dinosaurs living during that era.
(Spanky) Probably the same as today's elephant.
(Jos) Did the intelligent dino species also die out then? (There was one right?)
(NancyL) ZT to Nathan: We have afflictions, and disease, but consider this an opportunity to serve each other.
(NancyL) Wil, the mammoth was just an elephant.
(Wilhelm) Ok, thanks
(NancyL) Grudda, over population is devastating to this world, as we know.
(NancyL) Quick answer to the last Q, re David and Goliath.
(NancyL) 1. why was King David fighting Goliah, a 12th Planet Hominoid, at the time or there abouts of Moses, if the Quarantine was in effect by then?
(NancyL) ZT: There is confusion about the Quarantine, as this was NOT a one-day imposition such that on Tuesday, all must vacate Earth.
(NancyL) ZT: The giant hominoids on the 12th Planet in fact are unaware that a Quarantine was imposed!
(NancyL) ZT: What they became aware of was increasing problems while living on Earth.
(NancyL) ZT: They considered Earth to be a swamp, in any case, full of carnivors their world does not have, and disease.
(NancyL) ZT: They lost Gold shipments in heavy storms at sea, lost slaves and soldiers to accidents, and became disenchanted with living on Earth.
(Homy) What does there world look like?
(NancyL) ZT: They were already on Mars, and this became increasingly attractive.
(S7L) Homy: please read the Worlds section of zetatalk
(NancyL) ZT: After leaving, in the main, they found mankind increasing in numbers and tinkering with technology, tool, etc.
(Longint) On the site stands, that they came here after they have ruined Mars.
(NancyL) ZT: However, there were some who LIKED living on Earth, enjoyed pushing their slaves about and raping captive women, and were loath to leave.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, tales like David and Goliath have their roots in truth.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Imaj12) PX Question: Pluto's orbit is highly eccentric. what does 9 x distance from pluto to the Sun *mean* ? current dist. pluto/sun? apogee, perigee? Sorry, but pluto as a yardstick is very ambiguous. Could really use answer to this. Thanks.
(NancyL) Imaj12, read the Rogue Sighting TOPIC and look at all those graphics, also the Science section of ZetaTalk.
(Superzod) I have been Just finished playing a game called "Serious Sam". Setting is Egypt wih pictures of GIANT Humods! Any relationship to Planet X?
(Nathan-Laird) Is there any possibility of earth-based humans and the inhabitants of the 12th planet interacting sometime in the future? Perhaps after their transformation? Might humans launch an attack on them just prior to the poleshift for "retribution" of past actions against us? A little 3D battle? I can't imagine solor system neighbors staying strangers forever. Just what might the future hold for humans and 12th planet inhabitants?
(NancyL) If you see the diagrams I've done, etc., and others have done, it will become clear.
(Imaj12) I've read all of the site. *sigh*
(S7L) Nathan-Laird: no, we are quarantined likewise. We would not succeed
(NancyL) At least, do this before you pose an IRC question. Then you can ask something NEW, etc.
(NancyL) SuperZod, don't know, ask the author of Serious Sam :-)
(Jurian) Hehe
(NancyL) Nathan, no, no contact will occur per the Z's prior statements.
(Jos) Is it likely then that the humanoids want to get the gold at the second passage

(Spanky) Ok, so 12th planet hominoids stayed here also because there were not enough room on the ships to leave when the last passage happened.
(Nathan-Laird) That's unfortunate. They are so close. I would like to meet them someday. The stories we could swap! The past pain we could heal! Imagine!
(NancyL) Jos, they are mining a moon of Mars at present, the P moon, and yes they will carry this to the passing home planet, per the Z's.
(NancyL) OK folks, it's been the hour. I tire.
(Jurian) Phobos
(Jos) I wish we could give them the stupid gold! :)
(NancyL) Thank you all for inspiring great ZetaTalk :-)
(S7L) Imaj12: does it bother you that you can't nail it down exactly? I assume we can speak of average distance and not be far off.
(S7L) as it would mean 9 * 40 AU = 360 AU.
(Imaj12) Merci, Nancy.
(Michael) Thanks Nancy and friends :)
(Veronique) Thx Nancy
(Duane) Thanks, Bye Nancy and Zetas
(NancyL) And thanks to our hardworking monitors and technicians, Jurian and Gerard!
(Gerard) Thank you Nancy and the zetas, bye.
(Jane) Thanks Nancy and Zetas
(Nathan-Laird) Has it been an hour already?
(NancyL) Bye bye!
(Wilhelm) Nancy, are zetas really told everything, can't there be major things which will happen that the Council doesn't tell zetas or the Council isn't even told of.
(Imaj12) S7L - if it's average distance, that -is- an answer.
(IQx) Thanks Nancy, we all appreciate your work. Please Thank the Zetas too
(Nathan-Laird) Wait. ZetaTalk is two hours, right? :)
(Jurian) No thanks :P
(Jos) Byebye Nancy :)
(Jurian) Nathan-Laird: uh, no, just one :p
Session Close: Sat Feb 02 17:08:10 2002