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Live ZetaTalk Chat on Dec 8, 2001

Session Start: Sat Dec 08 15:38:17 2001
(Jurian) 23:00 here :)
(NancyL) OK, we're starting.
(S7L) It's nicely the middle of night for me. Exciting, magical things happen.
(Alexey) We should start, guys
(Jurian) Ghost hour :)
(NancyL) I have posted tonight's agenda for the early comers, but will post the questions accepted one-by-one as we address them.
(AlexDJ) Don't mention ghost (I see death people..maybe)
(NancyL) 1. Will the group formerly know as MJ12 continue to function in anyway or maintain contact with ET groups after the shift?
(NancyL) ZT: The new MJ12 will be the least devastated during the coming shift, in terms of communications capabilities and travel and a safe and secure place to live.
(NancyL) ZT: These individuals who formed the new MJ12 are with us, being to a one highly STO.
(NancyL) ZT: They are living on the surface of Earth, in 3rd Density, with a group of Zetas who do likewise in order to live with those humans who have teams with us as a result of prior association with MJ12 and the necessity of being present, so to speak, at all times.
(NancyL) ZT: Just where these living quarters are is not something we care to announce.
(NancyL) ZT: Their communications is highly telepathic, as there are a number of telepaths employed formerly by the old MJ12 among them.
(NancyL) ZT: We boost this capability so this communication means by these humans is enhanced.
(NancyL) ZT: Their travel is via the means offered to the old MJ12, our space ships and the cloaking they can effect so they are invisible.
(NancyL) ZT: Their agenda has changed little since we announced the formation of this group.
(NancyL) ZT: How will matters change for this group, who have left human society in the main, after the shift?
(NancyL) ZT: They will find humans more open to their message, having suffered the shift as ZetaTalk has predicted.
(NancyL) ZT: They will be busy helping STO communities become aware of the wider world and universe, no small deed in that introduction to alien lifeforms MAY INDEED be made with the new MJ12 being ambassadors.
(NancyL) ZT: They will be busy continuing their agenda, which is to block and frustrate STS human groups from having their way on the new Earth.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, they will be busier than ever, as will Nancy and some of her human aquaintances.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Follow up questions?
(Zunisunface) Are these MJ12 members all male or are there females this time around and are there just 12 members?
(S7L) I want to express my gratitude for them for this service, and also to Nancy.
(DavidS) These STO-individuals who formed the new Mj-12 - are they also as you,Nancy communicating in same way as you?
(DavidS) With aliens?implants?
(Kurt) How many members are there?
(Spanky) Who is in the new MJ12 from the old MJ12, who got booted, and any new members not in the old?
(NancyL) ZT: The old MJ12 had 40 members on 2 boards, but no females.
(DraganR) Can I help you ?
(NancyL) ZT: Due to the nature of the old MJ12, there are few females in the new MJ12. But there are a few.
(NancyL) ZT: This group is likely to grow, over time, after the shift, as conscious awareness of the alien presence is all that qualifies for initiation.
(NancyL) ZT: That, and a strongly STO orientation, of course.
(Jos) K, I'm with ya :)
(Ganda_Ko) so MJ12 is 100% STO right now?
(NancyL) ZT: The count today of the new MJ12 member is 57, but this in no way compares to the old MJ12 which had approximately 2,000 member, of which President Bush is one, and Cheney.
(Zunisunface) Why are there so few females?
(Spanky) After the shift will it still be limited to the USA?
(NancyL) ZT: They are, to facilitate travel and pickup, of course wearing implants. None of these folks, nor we, have any time to lose.
(AlexDJ) Is this new MJ12 STO going to announce something before shift or still have on their plans not to make any shift announcement before it happens?
(NancyL) Z, so few females as the DoD is utterly chauvinistic. Don't I know :-)
(S7L) Heh.
(DavidS) So all new MJ12 members are contactees?
(NancyL) Alex, the new MJ12 has on their agenda to inform the public of thecoming shift, etc.
(Zunisunface) Yes I thought the Zetas would be above an old boy network
(S7L) How can we serve to help MJ12 now
(NancyL) David, they LIVE with the Zetas, and have conscious awareness of this!
(Jurian) Hmm, any group like MJ12 in europe?
(NancyL) OK, on to the next Q.
(S7L) OK.
(DavidS) Oboy... I wish I was a new MJ12 member:-)
(NancyL) Z, the old MJ12 was not the Zeta's structure, they just had an agreement.
(NancyL) 2. If the Council of Worlds will not allow anyone to escape to the Moon or Mars when the pole-shift is happening, how will this happen? Will they sabotage anyone who tries to escape?
(NancyL) ZT: As we have explained in ZetaTalk, a quarantine is effected by subtle means.
(NancyL) ZT: The giant hominoids from the 12th Planet were discouraged from staying on Earth by various accidents, wherein they encountered the carnivors on Earth that they do not have on their home planet.
(NancyL) ZT: Weather problem, communication problems, rashes and diseases, and finally they decided that mining elsewhere was a better choice.
(NancyL) ZT: In preventing an escape to Mars, similar means will be employed, and have been employed.
(AlexDJ) You mention cloaking devices on ships.. are there any humans (not on MJ12.. normal ones)..who can actually see the ships even with cloaking devices or sense them?
(NancyL) ZT: Accidents, often after a period where success seemed close at hand. This tends to devastate the backers more than constant failure.
(NancyL) ZT: As mankind is scarcely able to live in space, and has not mastered maintaining mankind in this environmnent, there are so many obstacles to getting to and living on Mars in the first place.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, we hardly have to step in, as they are failing already! But should they appear to be succeeding, technological failures will occur.
(NancyL) End ZT.
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(Spanky) What, in the mind of the giant hominoids, is the reason they will not send ships to earth during THIS shift?
(DavidS) What forces is behind Council of Worlds? Do the souls who are member of COW know about these forces? Or is it a mystery for them?
(NancyL) David, the Council is explained in ZT in Rules. Wise and massive souls, elected by true elections.
(NancyL) Spanky, why would they come back to chaos? This is a fear campaign by certain disinfo groups, to make mankind uneasy.
(S7L) I share Spanky's question. I would appreciate it answered indeed.
(S7L) Nancy, no, we are asking what are the Annunnaki thinking
(NancyL) On to the next Q.
(S7L) Isn't Earth attractive now?
(NancyL) S7L, Annunaki and giant hominoids, one and the same.
(Jos) They just think it's a shitplanet, better go to phobos I guess
(NancyL) HEARLDING Core of Earth
(NancyL) 1. What is the scientific explanation on that the 12th planet affects to the core of the Earth from the distance?
(Spanky) Are they afraid of us now that we have technology?
(NancyL) ZT: As we have explained, the equilibrium is disrupted. Mankind assumes that what they see is CAUSED by what they see, but there is much they do not see.
(NancyL) ZT: They have faint explanation for why all the planet line up in the ecliptic, though this clearly is a flow of particles and the planets are in the backwash.
(NancyL) ZT: They have a poor explanation for why the planets stay apart from each other and stay away from the Sun, not heading directly for it, when a Repulsion Force is a clear explanation.
(NancyL) ZT: They are still clinging to the theory, without basis, that the Sun has magnetic reversals, as this is an explanation for why wandering poles are evident on the crust of the Earth, when pole shifts are the obvious explanation and Hapgood long ago presented this.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, they cannot conceive of an equilibrium in the solar system, being out of touch as they are with so many basic issues.
(NancyL) ZT: When the 12th Planet is riding the mid-point of its orbit, the equilibrium exists.
(NancyL) ZT: When it begins to approach, several particle flows are changes, and as these particle flows envelope and influence Earth and the other planets in the system, these changes become evident.
(NancyL) ZT: Gravity and magnetic particles are only a couple of the flows affected.
(NancyL) ZT: Now, in any given equilibrium, CHANGE is noticed where the equilibrium is taken for granted.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the fact that the Earth rotations, has x temperature in its core, points in x direction, is taken as "normal".
(NancyL) ZT: When its temperature raises, this is NOTICED, and commented upon. Why would the temperature NOT raise, when the core is pulled in more direction, has more activity, and is thus exuding more heat particles.
(NancyL) ZT: Magnetic diffusion is another CHANGE noticed, but this is easily explained in the context of yet another magnetic planet coming closer, so that magnetic particles are flowing more here, less there, in the vicinity of Earth.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, it is not so much what CAUSED every change, upon the approach of the 12th Planet, as it is a mystery of why mankind is astonished.
(NancyL) ZT: He is asleep on his asumptions, and only waking when they move about!
(NancyL) End ZT
(S7L) Is the observed heating of Mars (the evaporation of CO2 ice on its poles) due to approach of X?
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(NancyL) S7L, yes.
(NancyL) On to the next Q
(NancyL) 2. Is there any relation with this to the phenomenon which is described under 'Spin' at the science section of ZetaTalk?
(S7L) I am not surprised. What other bodies are heating up?
(NancyL) Sl7, Europa, I belive.
(S7L) OK.
(NancyL) ZT: We have defined the spin phenomena as one where the various pulls IN or AGAINST the direction of the spining object are enhanced so that the spin moves in the direction, opposite on the hemisphere, that it does.
(NancyL) ZT: In that particle flows are influencing the rotation of the core, the spin phenomena is indeed in effect during the approach of Planet X.
(NancyL) ZT: An obvious example of this is rotation stoppage, when the 12th Planet is passing. This equates to the spin noted on the equator, which is less than when further north or south.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(NancyL) On to the next Q.
(NancyL) 3. According to the Zeta description of the 12th Planet's journey, it should begin to truly "speed up" in 2002. As it begins to make significant progress towards the Earth, will there be any noticeable changes here on Earth at that point? Will anything (weather, quakes, etc.) increase or change significantly at that point?
(NancyL) ZT: We have predicted that in the year prior to the shift that satellites will fail, consistently.
(NancyL) ZT: Earthquake and volcanoe activity will steadily increase, on a somewhat linear scale.
(NancyL) ZT: Earthquakes and volcanoes are reacting to the heating up and activity in the core, which has a great deal of drag in that there is a large amount of matter to heat up and increasing motion in this is not that easy, the core being heavy matter and inclined to hug itself closely.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, the increasing approach of the 12th Planet will be LESS noticeable on Earth than would be expected, when looking at the rapidly diminishing distance.
(NancyL) ZT: However, should one run statistics on the changes, one would see other than lineal changes overall.
(NancyL) ZT: It is simply that the core must INCREASE substantially in its temperature or motion for a small increase evident on the crust.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not lineal, and the crust is pushed outward when increased heat and swirling about occur, so is less subject to rubbing one plate against another and there are more places where magna can ooze out in the deep ocean rifts.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, there will be increases, as there will be increasing crop shortages, but the MOST NOTICEABLE effect to mankind will be the sociologial changes, during 2002.
(NancyL) ZT: The establishment will become guarded, start to falter in their explanation for the changes, and start to enclose themselves into enclaves safe from the populace.
(NancyL) ZT: New leadership, from the masses so to speak, will arise, filling the void. These will be noticed, and much the talk, while the weird weather and increasing quakes will be scarsely noticed.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(S7L) There have been some underwater systems where volcanic activity and heating occurs deep under surface. These could be explained by expanding core?
(Jos) "New leadership", what do you mean by that ?
(NancyL) ZT; to Spanky, yes.
(Zunisunface) What type of sociological changes do you mean?
(NancyL) Maybe YOU, Jos :-)
(Jos) Heh, that'll be cool :-))
(S7L) To Spanki? I presume it was me, but bad nick completion?
(NancyL) Have you heard the explanation of a natural leader? When the current leadership fails, a void occurs, and the natural leader steps in.
(DraganR) Can I help you ?
(S7L) I am much anticipating this, as it will finally be what I fancy as democracy
(Jos) So, leadership that is wished by the ppl, not forced on them ..
(Jurian) Well well, that's certainly a welcome change :-)
(S7L) A natural leader, self-selected in a natural way that nobody even realizes there was a kind of election.
(NancyL) ZT: We have explained in our During 2002 ZetaTalk that increasing polarization will occur, the STS will try to attract serf classes, and the establishment of today will avoid having to explain what is occurring. People will talk among themselves, and not trust the media or their governments.
(NancyL) Jos, in a vacumn, a natural leader emerges. Yes.
(NancyL) Onto the next Q.
(NancyL) 1. Why does the Declination of the Coordinates page go on such a roller coaster ride?
(NancyL) ZT: We have explained that the inbound Planet X is primarily on a straight line path inbound.
(NancyL) ZT: The appearance of bobbling about is slight in its path, as during the inbound motion it can move slightly to the side or up or down, while not disturbing its primary forward motion.
(NancyL) ZT: This is akin to a car on the highway, which move a bit to pass another car or avoid a dead animal on the road, while still moving almost exclusively forward.
(NancyL) ZT: The view from the front, versus the view from the side, is different, and deceptive.
(NancyL) ZT: However, there are other reasons our coordinates change, often from week to week.
(NancyL) ZT: Planet X is viewed from the surface of Earth, and in this the light FROM the planet and its moons and dust cloud must travel toward Earth and encounters many obstacles.
(NancyL) ZT: What is little dealt with by the common man is the degree to which light particles are deflected.
(NancyL) ZT: They are aware that their feet seem to be displaced from their legs when they stand in water and look down, but this phenomena does not translate to viewing the heavens because their leadership in the scientific community does little to educate or assist them.
(NancyL) ZT: If water can bend light rays in this manner, what do you suppose the atmosphere or solar wind or influence of the other planets in the system might have?
(NancyL) ZT: We calculate these influences, and come up with a set of coordinates on any given day that will enable an eager viewer to seek out and FIND this inbound monster, from any part of the globe.
(NancyL) ZT: We are taking in this the common ground such that any viewpoint on the globe will not be that FAR from the coordinates.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, for any given viewpoint, the coordinates will most likely not be correct, but will be CLOSE.
(NancyL) ZT: Which is why we state look AROUND the spot.
(NancyL) ZT: For the amateur, used to star light which enters the atmosphere in such intensity that even when MOST of the light rays are deflected, there is some coming directly to the scope, this is a foreign concept.
(NancyL) ZT: However, infrared and primarily red spectrum light is more easily bent, which is why your sunsets are a brilliant orange.
(NancyL) ZT: As we have explained, these are bent rays, not visible during the day when they are drown out by other rays, but visible when given exclusive presesence on the stage.
(NancyL) End ZT
(S7L) the eror margin is still pretty high, for the coordinates, up to .2 hours RA and .45 degrees Dec. Was this really intended as I have read it?
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(NancyL) S7L, those margins were against my grphic in tword03h.htm, which is a "pretty" drawing with curved lines, not the actual path.
(S7L) Ah.
(NancyL) I agree that the variance to the RA and Dec given would be far less!
(S7L) All right. I mix things up. Because I thought the margins really were pertty large for coords up to 4 or 5 decimal digits
(NancyL) Onto the next Q.
(NancyL) 2. Did MJ12 give instructions to someone in IRAS to find Planet X/Nibiru in 1980s?
(NancyL) ZT: The reason given, officially, for the search for Planet X was the perturbations in the outer planets, known for some centuries and hardly explained by the discovery of Pluto.
(Alexey) Nancy, why the fact of conscious awareness of being nearby Zetas or having a visitation is so shocking to even an advanced and experienced contactee? Why do aliens cause such a struck in humans and animals don't?
(Obany>) Alexey: wait until the question is answered, and then a follow up question can be asked. Other questions you have to send in by email
(NancyL) ZT: Just as the planned settlements on Mars are given and official explanation to the populace, which is paying for all of this, the search for Planet X could scarsely be hidden from public view.
(NancyL) ZT: What the public was not told, of course, was that the press for certainty was due to information we had given MJ12, and that this information appeared to be solid based on decades of careful monitoring of the skies.
(NancyL) ZT: Following Roswell, as the story tells, we established a contact with the US government, which put this into the hands of MJ12 to avoid information contamination of the normal federal bureaucracy..
(NancyL) ZT: We were interested in the human leadership of the world informing their public, so early on we made clear what was about to happen, in 2003.
(NancyL) ZT: As the story of the Alternatives 1, 2, and 3 tell, the immediate reaction was to save a few skins.
(NancyL) ZT: When it became clear that they were likely to be on the surface of Earth during the next pole shift, they wanted confirmation.
(NancyL) ZT: Running away is relatively easy, as one is just suddenly absent. But if one must build a safe complex in front of those one is lying to, this is more difficult.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, to secure cooperation among those they would have to enlist, on Earth, they needed confirmation.
(NancyL) ZT: MJ12, via NASA and JPL, had been monitoring the approach of Planet 12, according to our coordinates and predictions.
(NancyL) ZT: This was proving accurate, so they mustered the IRAS search in the early 1980's which resulted in the FIND of what they hoped they would not find.
(NancyL) ZT: The human mind does not wish to entertain the awful, so most in this group were in denial, though going along with the search as an interesting scientific exercise, not unlike most of the activity NASA et al undertake daily.
(NancyL) ZT: The discovery of solid proof so stunned most of those involved in the search that their guard was dropped, and thus the reports such as the 1983 Washington Post front page article.
(NancyL) ZT: So to answer the question, yes, MJ12 went on the search because of our coordianates having been provided to them.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(NancyL) One last question to go, and we're running late.
(NancyL) Next Q.
(NancyL) And last :-)
(NancyL) 1. I would like to ask the Zetas if they can update us on the "contrail tests" first mentioned a few years ago. Why is this group being allowed to continue on such a massive scale? And what do they hope to gain by all this in the short time remaining?
(NancyL) ZT: Contrails are an experiment of the wealthy and powerful, to see how much deliberate infection of wandering masses might slow them down.
(NancyL) ZT: This has been allowed, where practiced, because the experiment was couched in terms of crowed control.
(NancyL) ZT: Those allowing this to continue, the military and national security groups, were assured that only temporary illness would occur.
(NancyL) ZT: However, the intent of the elite was scarsely temporary illness.
(NancyL) ZT: Immagine elite groups settling into North Carolina estates, or in valleys in Utah, or in Wyoming.
(NancyL) ZT: Why would they want masses of the lower class, starving and angry, invading their communities?
(NancyL) ZT: There would certainly not be food or supplies enough to go around, and these elite do not think of the populace as anything on an equal basis to themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: Their logic is that if these starving hords are to die anyway, the sooner the better!
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, when the time came, what was being sprayed upon the starving wandering hords would scarsely be temporary germs such as flu.
(NancyL) ZT: They are to be poisoned.
(NancyL) ZT: Will this actually occur, going into or after the shift?
(NancyL) ZT: The assumption on the part of the perpetrators is that the status quo, in runways, in motion in the air, in gasoline supplies, and in willing workers, will remain as today.
(NancyL) ZT: This is so far from the truth, that we prdict that NONE of these operations will be up and accomplished, as planned.
(NancyL) ZT: During the week of rotation stoppage, there is so much discombobulation that all jobs get neglected, and complicated operations that involve many steps and few people have a built in broken link problem.
(NancyL) ZT: A single individual, meant to pass a message to provide poison at the appointed place or time, can create failure.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, where this is the plan, this is not expected to be the occurrence.
(NancyL) End ZT
(NancyL) Followup questions?
(Zunisunface) Who is running this contrails situation? names and numbers?
(S7L) It fills me with so much anger and weariness that such struggle is conducted with people. Why can't we all just be at peace with what we have, and get it done with minimum amount of hassle? ;p OK, this is not a real question
(NancyL) Z, they would only deny it, etc. Who ran Iran Contra? No one knows what the CIA does, etc. or ex-CIA.
(JoeyB) Are there things we can do to protect, beside the obvious?
(Zunisunface) Is the latest anthrax scare and earlier west nile virus infection part of this package?
(Talkboy) Contrails don't seem to be affecting most people, how can the elite think that this is working?
(NancyL) ZT: The target is clearly large urban areas of poor and restless folk - LA, for instance, where riots have already occurred.
(NancyL) ZT: Analyze the contrail spots today, militia groups, large cities, routes the wandering hords might be likely to use.
(NancyL) ZT: Stay AWAY from those areas, prior to the week of rotation stoppage, and you should have scant worry from this source.
(NancyL) ZT: Anthranx and West Nile are NOT arranged by the elite. Anthrax being visited upon the uS, as the WTC occurence, countrary to their wishes.
(NancyL) ZT: This is irony, as they wanted excuses for martial law, but now this is upon them but OUT OF THEIR CONTROL.
(NancyL) ZT: Karma, at its best.
(NancyL) End ZT
(Zunisunface) thank you Nancy
(Ganda_Ko) So who's behind the anthrax?
(NancyL) Talkboy, not affecting because the groups are being watched and questions, I think.
(NancyL) Still, the experiments continue, if apparently benign.
(S7L) This was certainly a very interesting session. I thank Nancy, once again for the work she does.
(NancyL) It's been a long hour, more than, and I'm pooped.
(Alexey) Nancy, why the fact of conscious awareness of being nearby Zetas or having a visitation is so shocking to even an advanced and experienced contactee? Why do aliens cause such a struck in human mind and animals don't?
(NancyL) Going to close.
(Ganda_Ko) thanks Nancy
(S7L) I am completely ready for bed to think all this over and have a good night's sleep :)
(JoeyB) Thank You Nancy!
(Alexey) Thank you!
(Svnmn) Yes, thanks Nancy!
(Jos) Yeah, thanks Nancy, you always work like a horse!!
(NancyL) Alex, that sound like a suggested IRC Q for next week. Send it to me on e-mail, per the rules on the Live ZetaTalk IRC page.
(S7L) Jos: is that a comlpiment? :)
(Jurian) Thanks Nancy, and of course our Zetan friends :-)
(Alexey) OK, Nancy
(Jos) yeah, sure
(Obany>) Yes thanks Nancy :)
(S7L) hehe
(NancyL) Bye bye!
(Kurt) Thanks Nancy..Zetas
Session Close: Sat Dec 08 17:28:06 2001