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Live ZetaTalk Chat on Apr 13, 2002

Session Start: Sat Apr 13 15:39:53 2002
-IQx- Welcome to ZetaTalk - - Enjoy Your Stay
(NancyL) Just sent the agenda (short one) to Gerard and Jurian.
(S7L) Though Nancy's early. I mean, we ought to be still 1 hour 30 minutes from the session, right?
(IQx) S7L: hmm, clocks were set an hour later a few days ago
(S7L) UTC time has no daylight savings and sessions were to start UTC 22:00.
(Butch) Has daylight savings time here in the states been taken into consideration?
(NancyL) No, I just show up early in case there is any problem with connecting, gives me time to struggle with it, etc.
(NancyL) And then I can chat a bit, without being "on stage"
(NancyL) OH! I'm an HOUR early! It's not even 17:00 UTC?
(S7L) NancyL: it is 20:40 UTC
(NancyL) We have a light agenda. Let me ask, what are the burning questions out there?
(IQx) NancyL: well, if possible, can you tell us (3 of us here) more a bit about safe location of New York State ? you told so little, a few sentences - Thanks
(S7L) I guess you will get magnitude questions. The sci.astro crowd seems to press you hard for it.
(IQx) NancyL: I asked that question a few sessions ago, but didn't get a response, would really appreciate one now.
(S7L) Magnitude is by the way an absolute figure. It doesn't depend on location nor viewing conditions.
(NancyL) BRB, taking the chicken out of the oven. It will be ready when the chat STARTS!
(NancyL) I'm looking up what was already said about NY.
(NancyL) Magnitude is NOT absolute, there are several ways of describing it.
(ChiefSimi) For us in Hungary, there was en election, and the STS gained power. We suspect, a cheating, there are some proofs also, we are very curious what the Zetas say about that.
(S7L) NancyL: you are right that there are several different magnitudes.
(NancyL) Heiocentric, within the solar system, there are two other methods, one 10 parsecs away, the other some other one.
(Torbj) Are you talking new earthquakes?
(S7L) However my point was it doesn't depend on your place on Earth, nor the viewing conditions. A magnitude 16 star will still be 16 star even if veiled by clouds.
(NancyL) Bottom line, there are several ways of "defining" or "qualifying" magnitude.
(WigglyWorm) Just like the good ol' USA eh ChiefSimi
(S7L) It only is a specific statement about brightness measured in some fashion.
(NancyL) And then, what equipment is set for (star light intensity) or the eye perceives are different altogether.
(S7L) And it's been made to eliminate this kind of things such as "how long did you photograph" "with what equipment" "where" etc.
(Degradii) NancyL just 1 question... is it true that the earth is hollow.. I mean that it's full with tunnels and caves
(NancyL) S7L but what you GET depends on all that, so the sci.astro crowd spits hairs on every excuse.
(S7L) NancyL: that's one part I don't understand. How do you mean different when telescope is used for star brightness and when for .. eye?
(S7L) NancyL: it's true but it still doesn't change the _magnitude_. And people asked you for that.
(NancyL) Degradii, that's so silly as to be exempt from even a "declined question". Let me ask YOU, where does the lava come from?
(S7L) You replied with queries like "where" "how high" "with what equipment" which are irrelevant to the magnitude.
(Degradii) NancyL I didnt mean that.
(S7L) Degradii: hollow Earth means that the Earth's interior is completely hollow, I understand.
(WigglyWorm) Nancy: the Men in Black seems to be the least feasible part of zetatalk. How would they know the Awakening is happening or which contactee saw a UFO? How do they get cars if they have few resources.
(Degradii) NancyL I was talking about net of tunnels and caves
(S7L) WigglyWorm: "how do they get cars"?
(NancyL) Who asked about NY? I don't want to get TOO detailed else the Safe Locations doc gets too large and all.
(S7L) Can you clarify?
(S7L) NancyL: IQx did.
(NancyL) Here's what we have about NY now: state.
(NancyL) Being positioned close to the New England states, which will experience a bounce up as the St. Lawrence Seaway rips further apart, just prior to the shift, New York State will be relatively safe from flooding from the Seaway. As with Canada on the opposite side of the Seaway, the release of tension when the Atlantic and the Seaway rip will allow bordering land, light in nature, to lift. Flooding will come in from the coast, where the usual warnings about tidal waves are in effect. Stay inland at least 100 miles, be 200 feet above sea level, and consider tidal core or flooding of local rivers overwhelmed by torrential downpours or sloshing of local lakes.
(NancyL) And I'll go get NY city now.
(NancyL) Heavily populated areas have several drawbacks during times of crisis such as the coming cataclysms will bring. However well prepared a given family may be, they are never prepared for what their neighbors will bring to them. New York City is one of the most heavily populated areas, and by being a coastal city, has additional strikes against it. Thought the Atlantic will recede at first during the pole shift, due to the Atlantic widening and the waters having in general flowed toward the poles when the Earth's rotation stops, wave action and reaction will find all shorelines bombarded with sloshing water at some point. For many, on islands along the coast supported by a system of bridges that have been torn apart, they will have no escape. Tall buildings will bash into each other during the seemingly endless earthquakes, which they were scarcely designed to withstand. Fires and the howls of the injured and desperate make travel through such a devastated area literally life threatening. Those who stay in New York City during the coming cataclysms are either ignorant of what is about to occur, courageous, or harboring a death wish!
(WigglyWorm) s7l: The Men in Black have been seen driving large black cars.
(IQx) NancyL: thank you, although I've read that =)
(NancyL) Now, what is missing? You can read about Montreal, western PA, etc and points south and north of NY state, and this also puts things into perspective.
(IQx) NancyL: NYC is a never good safe place for most - can you expand a bit about NY state? through ZT if possible
(Gerard) Wigglyworm: that are not the MIB... if a guy weares a black suit and drives in a black car does that make him a MIB? I doubt so.
(IQx) WigglyWorm: search ZetaTalk site on MIB, they are a bit different from what you expect
(S7L) WigglyWorm: oh really
(NancyL) IQx, here's western PA.
(NancyL) The mountainous regions in western Pennsylvania, where now considered an area difficult to farm and with industries tied to coal mining in the past, will prove to be a safe place not only during the shift itself but during the Aftertime. Ocean access will be provided by the St. Lawrence Seaway, which will widen to the extent of becoming an inlet bay to the Atlantic. The climate likewise will improve somewhat for western Pennsylvania, after the shift.
(IQx) NancyL: dont paste it, I referenced that also - thank you although
(WigglyWorm) the MiB look like the alien hominoids from the game Out of This World if anyone remembers.
(Cool007) NancyL: in fact the earthquakes in Bulgaria become more frequent
(NancyL) And then ZT goes on to say that NY City and DC will move west into these areas, unpleasant and unwanted STS type folks.
(IQx) NancyL: I wont bother you then, perhaps if you are not busy at a later time, you can email me the a few more about NY state through ZT
(S7L) I have studied Earthquake statistics a little for the last 40 years. It seems that while 2001 was a very vigorous year, so was 1963. Similar in numbers; earthquakes appear to come in cycles.
(S7L) 2002 has been pretty quiet. The energy expenditure on average is -70% for quakes that have made it to my survey, which is all quakes world-wide above 6.0 magnitude
(NancyL) IQx, I get drilling down into more and more detail requests from folks, and am trying to establish guidelines.
(Torbj) We had one quit large here in Sweden to acouple a days ago...3.3 on the Richter scale...
(Malakai) What about phoenix Arizona? Will it see water from tidal waves? The grand canyon and the whole region must have been under water at one time.
(Matt) Anymore radio shows on the horizon Nancy?
(S7L) So, while in 2001 we had a few really strong quakes, it seems 2002 is back to some 1990 level or such
(IQx) NancyL: accept my apologies then, would you mind going into detail if I gather a group of at least 10-20 people?
(NancyL) For instance, if I say this town will be flooded, I get a question what about a town a mile away, same elevation.
(NancyL) Obviously, the answer is the SAME.
(IQx) NancyL: hehe, alright, the point is understood
(NancyL) New England is going to elevate, land along the St. Lawrence will jerk around but bounce UP, and western NY state is high enough not to get flood tide, etc.
(NancyL) What else do you want to know? Aftertime latitude can be established from the New Geo map.
(IQx) NancyL: indeed, it also seems to be that NY will be in a bit colder position once the plates shift
(NancyL) I'm actually asking you to help me establish guidelines, IQx, as you're not a selfish person.
(IQx) NancyL: New Geo map ?
(NancyL) What have we NOT provided you with?
(IQx) NancyL: I'll try =)
(NancyL) Matt, no new radio shows planned.
(Matt) Thanks Nancy
(NancyL) IQx, no, no groups of folks, as if I set a precedence than I will get 10,000 such requests!
(IQx) NancyL: hehe, maybe Zetas should come up with more contactees who can help you out
(NancyL) Safe Locations is a service but the Zetas and I want to cover the globe, but not give folks in one town 99% of the time, for instance.
(NancyL) Look to Africa, or South America, hardly a question.
(IQx) NancyL: yes, absolutely
(NancyL) Canada and US especially, overworked already!
(Matt) New Zealand?
(IQx) NancyL: don't overpressure yourself, for now you're doing great
(Gerard) One becomes a contactee by him or herself ... it's not that the Zetas look for them an so ..
(Cool007) Middle Bulgaria
(Gerard) One can even be a contactee without knowing he/she is
(NancyL) IQx in the Pole Shift section, ../poleshft/p10.htm
(NancyL) IQx, group documents don't work well, and ZetaTalk via telepathy is unique, and working well.
(Lebrasse) Is there an agenda today or open-house?
(IQx) NancyL: oh yes, I made an enlarged version of that map, just a temporary for printing out at
(NancyL) I want to know, seriously, WHAT is not addressed that is a burning question? This hill or that hill less likely to be windy, or flooded, or whatever?
(IQx) Lebrasse: the session is one hour away
(NancyL) Folks should get an elevation map, study their local geography, and make some decisions for themselves, my thinking.
(Torbj) You can allso be a "walk in"
(Gerard) Or a starchild
(NancyL) Lebrasse, we have a light agenda, so I'm fishing here.
(Torbj) Or a "wanderer"
(Malakai) Nancy.. Phoenix Arizona? At 1000 ft will it see flooding
(Zetapal) you'd have to define contactee - we've all probably been contacted in one form or another by "the visitors", both STS and STO. And, I guess giving "the call' is a form of asking for contact
(NancyL) Phoenix, I'm checking what has been said, etc.
(Spanky) Might as well answer the Men in Black question I had.
(KyleKushman) I'm a virgin zetatalk chat so I just wanted to say hello to all and thanx for the knowledge Nancy and Zetas
(Lebrasse) Nancy, one thing that has been puzzling me is why all the posturing by Israel/US? Why invade Iraq when the PS is just months away?
(Spanky) Distraction.
(Zetapal) Welcome Kyle
(Thunderoc) Perhaps some ideas into a food/energy bar..with all known coloidial minerals and vitamins...a survival food bar?
(NancyL) Did you read about Phoenix in Safe Locations TOPIC? ../info/tinfo242.htm?
(NancyL) No flooding. here's a quote:
(NancyL) Residents in cities in the middle of deserts are lulled into thinking that life there is possible even without such support. Being on stable ground, Phoenix will in the main be standing after the shift, outside of the damage done by hurricane force winds and the possibility of volcanic dust dumping or firestorms dropping from the skies. Those who plan on surviving must think about what they will do after they survive, else they will not long survive. The dazed populace will lean heavily on any farms nearby, which will find themselves stripped of any edibles so that sustained agriculture is not possible. Phoenix, like most cities with high numbers of survivors, will find the human survivors like a plague of locusts, consuming everything in sight.
(Gerard) Zetapal: it is, the call can also be used for asking for contact.. Like what can I do to help, what can I do for the transformation that can be a question for contact in fact
(NancyL) So the water will not come in from the Gulf or Pacific, no, just afterwards, everyone starves.
(KyleKushman) I'm in NY, we just set our clocks ahead 1 hour is the chat now or in an hour.
(Karen) My question is what was Bush doing going on TV and asking everyone to give 4,000 hours of service to country.... Is he trying to keep everyone busy?
(NancyL) Lebrasse, invade Iraq as a distraction.
(S7L) KyleKushman: it will be after 1 hour.
(Malakai) Yes Nancy.. just seems that the low valley including higher elevations like grand canyon and Lake Powel seem to be under water at one time long ago
(S7L) The ZT has always been scheduled on UTC 22:00 time which sees no daylight savings.
(NancyL) Bush also wants his excuses why he needs to muster the military and hide govmt in bunkers, etc.
(NancyL) Kyle, it's in an hour, many (including me) are early and just chatting until ...
(Gerard) Then of course a starchild is a vistor him/herself, not a contactee in fact.. contact works different for those who are starchildren.
(S7L) If people researched this topic, they could derive it reliably for themselves every time.
(Spanky) Nancy: is Bush really that dumb/confused or is it all an act and he is a machiavellian schemer like his father?
(NancyL) Karen, excellen Q about civilian service and I'm adding it to the agenda.
(S7L) NancyL: I have been pondering lately what happens when person falls asleep. Does the soul leave the body for something more interesting?
(NancyL) Malakai, at one time, the globe was a water planet, then got knocked into present orbit and lost most of its water.
(NancyL) Thus, even on top of Everest, there are sea shells in the rock.
(Lebrasse) Have you identified your other Shoe yet Nancy, was it the invasion of the West Bank?
(Thunderoc) There was a meteorite show on last week... which showed the 'rock' coming from a star placement VERY similar to the three stars shown on the website... I taped it, yet to peruse it for close comparson..perhaps the new MJ wants this out?
(Zetapal) You got it Karen... the number one goal of those in control is to avoid a public panic and keep everybody showing up for work monday morning to keep the profit machine tricking funds up and as an endorsement of their authority/endorsing the system they run.
(Malakai) Yup..thanks.. they found remains of shark in grand canyon
(Cool007) Ima li bulgari tuk?
(An) Just looked this up for you all... TopoZone is useful for topograpic maps at
(NancyL) Spanky, a related question re George W, who is a PUPPET, and his father a prime example of STS.
(Zetapal) Keep em busy and scared.
(NancyL) Drugs into the country because of the senior Bush, who was a CIA man back then, head man.
(NancyL) Spanky, will add it to the Agenda, Bush family legacy or some such.
(Malakai) Nancy, how long has bush and elite world power mongers known of planet X ?
(Thunderoc) Zapata oil.. yes Nancy..
(JoeyB) Nancy: Is it correct that during last 7 weeks PX will zoom from a dim red star to about the size of the moon?
(NancyL) S7L, the soul is not encouraged to go OOB, even in sleep, no.
(S7L) NancyL: okay.
(NancyL) Lebrasse, it is not West Bank, and I'm having a sense of a few possibilities, yes.
(NancyL) Two, but not ready to announce them yet, until they happen.
(Spanky) Dreams are like a screensaver or video game within the brain to keep the soul occupied.
(NancyL) Have to do with PX leaks and media revelations and ZT in the news, etc.
(Torbj) Hehe... the pope dying?
(S7L) I have read some suggestions about the soul doing some travelling during the night, and it seems like it could make some sense from my viewpoint.
(Karen) I pondered whether the Bush announcement was part of Nancy's "other shoe" falling
(NancyL) Malakai, since shortly after Roswell, when the Z's told them. 1983 they confirmed it for themselves, so 1983 is the SOLID date.
(SteveH) I think TLC has a doomsday comet show on at 3pm PST
(Karen) Pumping up public for service to gov't
(Spanky) Nancy, have the zetans flown you up close to the 12th so you could take a look?
(Thunderoc) Thats the show I saw Steve...
(NancyL) JoeyB, that's pretty close, yes, it will be VISIBLE as a redish thing in the sky, without aid of scopes, and at passage be as big as the Moon, overall.
(SteveH) Was it any good Thuneroc?
(S7L) Thunderoc: they don't.
(NancyL) S7L, OOB is highly discouraged by Sprit Guides, who prevent skipping out of school, etc.
(JoeyB) It's sad that many will deny even with a sight like that!
(S7L) But how you relate to your thoughts decides what will happen.
(Thunderoc) Thats the one that shows the rock originating... from a star placement... like the one shown for PX
(NancyL) Karen, no, I expect just more of his trying to line up citizen slaves.
(S7L) NancyL: I thought it could be standard part of the program. But yes, I see the point I guess. I shall do some potential research on this.
(NancyL) Find out who the willing STO workers are, so he can use them later.
(NancyL) I see he also is trying to get the churches into leadership positions.
(Zetapal) S7L its my understanding that its possible to have an out-of-body experience while sleeping/and if you're like me you've found yourself being courteously shuffled back to your body after a couple of minutes-cool experience I must say - my escorts where surprised when I recognized them and seemed relieved when I didn't freak out on them, course I could have just imagined it all/ wink
(S7L) Zetapal: Mm yes.
(NancyL) And get unmarried mothers married, so husbands HAVE to be (he hopes) responsible for the mothers when he and his elite close the doors on them.
(Malakai) Nancy, as Sitchin claims Sumerians knew of niburu 6000 years ago.. why wasn't this info passed down among secret societies like illumanati etc?
(JoeyB) The current church scandals can't be helping much in that regard.
(Thunderoc) I think it was Maakai
(Spanky) as a second part of my question: why is Dick Cheney chosen to lead? Is it because of his heart condition, that they need someone with nothing to lose? Is it because they could eliminate him with no questioning at all (artificially induced heart attack)
(NancyL) Malakai, I think the info was primarily in the giant hominoids hands, and THEY did not care for humans to be educated.
(NancyL) Also, Chinese knew things Europe did not, etc. so all the globe did not share, did not even know about each other!
(Torbj) Almost everytime you are waking uo after a sleep with a big "spasm" you been out flying..
(Thunderoc) OOB's are so real... you can even feel texture..:o)
(NancyL) Spanky, have added this to the Agenda, as Bush cohorts, etc.
(Thunderoc) Or imagine you can.. lol
(S7L) I remember some persistent dreams from at least a decade ago when I could distinctly remember I could fly and how wonderful it was. I remember I almost cried because it wasn't true. But it seems like it might just have been true...
(Gerard) any idea about the situation in the European countries before the shift occurs. Like those beloning to the EU?
(NancyL) Gerard, what do you mean "situation"?
(Bulgaria) The earthquakes in Bulgaria become more frequent
(Malakai) I see.. I just feel that families like Bush, Morgans, Rockefellars, Rothchilds would have know this info the whole time.. for centuries.. and yes of course keep it to themselves
(NancyL) Quakes are going to increase right up to the time of the shift. I guess that means more frequent, and larger ones in the mix.
(S7L) Though quaking in 2002 has been modest according to the USGS
(NancyL) Malakai, you assume that Europe and Summeria were talking, etc. Don't think they were.
(Lebrasse) After 911, zetas said to watch JP Morgan but they're still there doing business, was 911 a failure by Barclays?
(Matt) Last 7 weeks surely will be the real uptick as PX enters system?
(NancyL) And then, each PS disrupts records and all, and then the REASON for the disruption is not known, except through folklore.
(Spanky) Illuminati type organizations are probably descended from 12th planet hominoid groups that decided to stay behind.
(Matt) Still near dither point.
(Gerard) Reactions etc... Different laws, other goverment(s) as in the USA. That's what I mean.
(Zetapal) Malakai also remember we're talking about a 90% attrition rate and scaterring populous with a 3657yr span - kind of hard keeping up with old secret society brothers...
(NancyL) S7L USGS is lying, downgrading quakes BIG time, as a TT member found out and I put into the Quake Patterns TOPIC in Word.
(Malakai) JP Morgan was so exposed to the markets a crash helped their derivatives position.. They may have had a hand in it
(Torbj) S7L...are you living in the nothern parts of Finland?
(Thunderoc) or STS agenda's/Illuminati
(Gerard) Spank: I doubt so ... there are no Niburians anymore on this planet.
(S7L) NancyL: I have observed this page. I do not believe Mike completely understood the situation. The numbers are in the main revised down a bit from the initial estimations -- or some are revised upwards. The intial magnitude is just a guess.
(Torbj) In the nothern part of Sweden there was a 3.3 qqake for two days ago
(Malakai) They were short the markets.
(NancyL) Spanky, no, Illuminati power is exagerated, per the Z's, they are not special and the eye thing only used as an STS scare tactic like Stonehenge.
(S7L) More detailed information comes later and is an international effort
(S7L) Torbj: no
(Sirgrim) The recent news about a possible pole reversal is interesting, they're just seeing pre-warnings
(S7L) And in general there is an agreement within 0.2 .. 0.3 magnitude points between intial estimate and the final, agreed on value.
(NancyL) Gerard, per the Z's, none seen on the horizon. I think the Z's said that depending upon their PRESENT mode, they will continue apace.
(Spanky) Although the last Niburians who stayed behind eventuallly lost their technology. Mythology begins to refer to them not as gods but as ogres, phillistines, cyclops. etc
(JoeyB) Nancy: Have you seen images of those bright billboards in Russia, announcing a new planet arriving?
(NancyL) Muslin countries highly repressed, etc, and the US fraught with disinfo as usual.
(NancyL) Europe is more open to the idea, and Russia too! Letting the population know, etc.
(Spanky) The 5th element is actually a 12th planet movie if you look at it closely.
(S7L) If USGS lies then it does real poor job at it.
(NancyL) Gerard, not enough known yet what will happen, and no change from when last discussed a couple weeks ago.
(Spanky) I thought Russia was a highly STS group of people.
(S7L) Spanky: hehe. You witnessing the effects of cold war?
(NancyL) Sirgrim, magnetic diffusion has been happening increasingly, and the theory about magnetic flips "just happening" is WRONG, but still humans discuss it while ignoring the crust movement evidence.
(Spanky) Not only cold war but look at Chechnya, repression of minorities, rampant crime.
(Gerard) Spanky: everyone country, has it's STO people ... So to say the Russians are higly STS is kinda
(S7L) NancyL: why is the ocean bottom striping exactly reverse rather than pointing to this or that direction? Why are the magnetic lines indicating that the poles in the main flipped, not moved about on the Earth quite randomly?
(Torbj) I've read about Putin slipping with his tongue to the press telling about a massive dieoff... but was later on "smothed over" filled put..
(NancyL) S7L what are you talking about, Mike's estimate and magnitude, etc? I missed it because I was blabbering away.
(S7L) NancyL: The page you refer to was offered by Mike.
(IQx) Spanky: perhaps the Russian government and the elites, but the people themselves are very humble. At least speaking from my point view as I was born there.
(S7L) I believe Mike didn't fuly understand what he was observing.
(Malakai) Nancy, so there should be concern of NWO cartel surviving with mass weapons and in the after time trying to continue there advancement in enslaving the survivors?
(S7L) Mike saw the difference between initial estimations, and the final figures, for the quakes.
(NancyL) JoeyB, apparently a commercial add, but obviously intended to be a subconscious, subliminal nudge!
(IQx) Spanky: there are bad seeds in all sorts of piles
(S7L) The press wants to report quickly so the first reports always are based on estimations of the strength of the event.
(S7L) That is why there are differences in the reporting.
(NancyL) S7L, wandering poles do NOT point in reverse, all the time, point in every direction.
(Kirk) Has it started yet?
(Gerard) nope just discussion before hand ..
(S7L) NancyL: but the ocean striping, to my understanding, seems to indicate that the poles have been mostly where they are, only the direction of magnetic field reversed.
(Zetapal) Yeah Spanky, listen to IQX, "what he said".
(S7L) At least this is the impression I have received - that is why they can draw nice charts and say "NS" here and "SN" here, instead of drawing vectors showing the differing directions.
(NancyL) S7L then why do the wandering poles logic show the poles only a few degress from each other, at times, NOT flipped!
(Zetapal) A little left-over cold war propaganda?
(IQx) Zetapal: perhaps
(NancyL) I think the "reversals" get the head-turning, so get quoted.
(VonSpark) Hey all! Say, is Robert, the maker of the "" video and website here today?
(NancyL) Re the Giant Pyramids pointing directly N/S, this is not true either. I researched on the web and in fact is is just "kinda" pointing N/S, more that than other alignments, and it gets quoted as though it were PERFECTLY N/S.
(Spanky) Alot of debunkers saying a pole shift of what Zetatalk describes would do everything short of vaporise the earth's crust
(S7L) NancyL: I admit I must research this topic further. I just can't get the observed ocean striping agree with the moving continents in my head. But I have to dig up references before I can carry this point on further. I'd do that now if I cared so much about it. I was just wondering because some usenet poster posed this question - was Jeff from Minneapolis I think.
(Debian) Would we all die? :(
(NancyL) Von Spark, he does not attend, but I know the guy.
(IQx) Debian: unfortunately most of us will, but it is possible to prepare and save ourselves
(NancyL) Spanky, and when you ask them to back up their statement, they get testy :-).
(Debian) How we can save us?
(NancyL) I've had mail from folks saying if rotation stopped everything would fly off into space.
(IQx) Debian: refer to and ../thub.htm
(S7L) Well they don't understand very much science, nor the gradual stoppage I guess.
(NancyL) NO logic, as lack of centrifugal would do the opposite, and then, on the Moon, man did not fly off, etc.
(VonSpark) Thanks, Nancy. He seems very passionate about the issue, and I understand he's met you. He takes a beating on the Yahoo message boards, and wanted to congratulate him for, at least, his courage.
(Malakai) So why don't we fly off into space now?
(Gerard) What about the African issue. The service to Self aliens over there. Only a year left before the shift occurs .. Will it also continue afterwards on that continent. Or is there a change in sight for the coming months.
(S7L) People seem to confuse centrifugal force and gravity somehow with each other.
(NancyL) Very extreme statements, even from the supposedly educated.
(Spanky) And why doesn't the Earth cause Mars to poleshift whenever they come close?
(S7L) Though we do think that the Moon rotates in fact... Just keeps same face towards Earth
(Torbj) If you do not want to die, you probably will not... if you stay tuned to your "inner gut".../stomach..
(Torbj) To Debian
(IQx) Spanky: perhaps the masses do not come close to Nibiru's - Nibiru is about 23 times dense than our planet
(NancyL) Gerard, I'll add it. Africa per the Z's will have massive dieoff from disease.
(Butch) Spanky: the sun has the controls in this neighborhood...
(Debian) It`ll be very hard for the people on the earth
(TerrorDactyl) 30 mins to start yes?
(Gerard) Did the amount of STO people on this world grow since the last time it got mentioned on zetatalk "The Earth, at close to 5 billion people, is approximately 25% Service-to-Other orientation, 7% Service-to- Self orientation, and 68% undecided, These percentages move about a bit." ?
(IQx) TerrorDactyl: around there, yes
(S7L) Debian: before one should throw away all hope, let us wait for a very clear sighting of Planet X on telescopes around August 2002 when Orion comes out from behind the Sun to sufficient degree.
(Zetapal) Good old Torbj - lol - I can always count on you every week, same message, say are you a chef?
(Torbj) Itīs always hard to live... you could always die!
(Spanky) Is the dead star actually a system that was moved to 4th density, perhaps maybe the Nordics homeworld?
(Karen) Has the Zetatalk start time changed from 5 to 6?
(S7L) Karen: no, it's been the same - 22:00 UTC. But for you, it's changed.
(NancyL) Gerard, no big change in the % as due to high tension not much progress, everyone kind of stunned and stuck in their orientation.
(Spanky) Which is why the humans and niburians resemble them?
(NancyL) Undecideds don't progress, STO move more so, STS move more so, etc.
(TerrorDactyl) I am an undecided myself :)
(IQx) I wish to be STO, but am not sure if I'm one - thus I can assume I'm undecided also
(Matt) Not an intellectual decision though
(S7L) What is the motivation for people to wish to be STO's
(Spanky) I have learned that you are probably more STO than you think.
(JoeyB) I was a little confused. When the Zetas give these percentages, are they referring to "formed" entities or all 6 billion?
(Lebrasse) 25% STO? How come 1.5 billion ready to go to 4th density if only 1 billion re-born souls on earth now?
(TerrorDactyl) Good question Lebrasse
(IQx) S7L: that 'feeling' you get when you sacrifice something of your own for someone else.
(Bulgaria) All of you, just be cool and don't afraid from the comming manace.
(IQx) S7L: to see their joy I guess.
(SteveH) I think it's 25% of the 1 billion souls are STO
(S7L) IQx: but you didn't say that you wanted to experience that. You wanted to be STO.
(S7L) Unless you have taken that to be equivalent...
(IQx) S7L: perhaps you're jumping on words, I wish to be certain that I am an STO
(TerrorDactyl) You really think that 75 percent of us dont have a spirit at all?
(S7L) Why do you want to be certain? What's that going to prove?
(Gerard) The thing will change after the pole shift, with the Hybrids coming to this world etc.. The die off. What is the time frame that they will be on earth, was it right after the pole shift or some time after it when things have settled down a bit?
(IQx) S7L: maybe I am harsh on myself, but I see faults within me - which don't allow me to come to a conclusion that I am in fact an STO.
(TerrorDactyl) Anyone here an STS by the way?
(IQx) S7L: why not? Wouldn't one want to be closer to being certain... about Px for example?
(IQx) TerrorDactyl: I dont believe if one is STS, that they will simply come out and state themselves to be one, hehe
(S7L) IQx: then, you suffer from a case of spiritual grasping perhaps. You want to be STO but you don't like things that remind you of STS-ness perhaps?
(Zetapal) Ahhh S7L good point I didn't even realize that the time change effectively "shifted" my zetatalk chat time thanks, lol,you know us arrogant Americans we figure if we go on Daylight Savings Time then we just simply assume the rest of the world did the same, lol. One day we''ll turn around and realize that no one is following
(NancyL) Terror, apparently the spirit in a NEW body does not spark all the time, and most do not.
(Spanky) Speaking of Terrordactyl's question: how bad is life as one of the octopus forms: how likely are you to be shark food on this world?
(IQx) S7L: yes, I am spiritually immature, absolutely
(S7L) Zetapal: heh. Well, we have also gone to daylight savings. It happened one week before for us.
(Torbj) You are what you are... life itself will bring to to one direction or another.... If you are not really experience anything "hard" that will force you to make a choice... then you will be "undecided".
(TerrorDactyl) So are you saying that I may not spark?
(NancyL) It's not that the soul/spirit is not THERE, it is just so vapid, and dissipates, does not form and last.
(S7L) IQx: how do you view that statement 'I am spiritually immature' ?
(S7L) Is there judgement at yourself?
(TerrorDactyl) I think/I know that I will spark.
(SteveH) We can't be certain of the status of our souls so it's largely useless excessively pondering on whether one os STO or not, just go out and live.
(NancyL) Spanky, I guess the genetic engineers would not select a life form that got eaten that regularly.
(IQx) We spoke about this before S7L, lets not make this a public discussion, hehe
(Malakai) Nancy, if the world govt (United Nations) is prepared for PX, are they a threat to the survivors , since they would likely have weapons and aircraft under Denver, Colorado ?
(NancyL) However, our cave man days were not all that advantageous, either!
(S7L) IQx: consider that the best thing you can do for yourself is just to be yourself. Throw away the concepts of STO and STS and consider uncovering who you are and what you want. Keep in mind where you want to go. But from how I view it, you can even harm your own progress by judging somethings as STS when they are not.
(NancyL) Terror, you've probably sparked, else you'd not be here.
(S7L) Just experience directly and honestly. Observe. Do not judge what seems STS, nor what seems STO. Do just that what you want.
(TerrorDactyl) I just know somehow that I am here for a purpose and that I have an everlasting soul
(S7L) IQx: oh, too late :-) but okay
(Zetapal) I thought for the last 3yrs that I was STO until last weeks chat - now I don't know - either way - I guess I wouldn't want to be tapped into a club until I was ready...
(IQx) S7L: correct, but It goes much further than that S7L, its not simply 'wanting' to be STO
(NancyL) Malakai, added UN ROLE to the agenda.
(S7L) Yeah maybe not. I'm just afraid many people have started to judge others with concepts like "you are STS" "you have no soul" or themselves, the same way
(IQx) S7L: if you wish, we can expand on that during some other time, in TT-Chat
(S7L) And I don't know if that's very useful at all
(IQx) S7L: no, absolutely not, lol
(TerrorDactyl) I want to be STO, but often I get selfish and fall into undecided mode.
(Gerard) If one is STO one kinda knows for what I read ... there are signs that tell.
(IQx) S7L: to be honest, I'm against 'grouping'.
(NancyL) Terror, your PURPOSE is up to YOU, so SPARK and DO something with your life!
(NancyL) Stop whinning and asking someone else to reassure you! ACTION is what counts!
(IQx) Gerard: what if one has signs from both? STO & STS? What is he now?
(Spanky) As for the zetas: 32 million years of the same thing. Wouldn't you get bored?
(S7L) TerrorDactyl: some selfishness is good. Don't be alarmed. Just follow what seems right thing. Just do that what is "you".
(Gerard) Even someone who is STO doesn't forget the self. Right?
(S7L) Ignore the standards set by anyone else, for they are their standards. You have your own. What matters to you is what is important, so clarify this first.
(TerrorDactyl) Ok good advice thanks
(Gerard) If one is of mixed orietnation then it's undecided
(IQx) Gerard: not forgetting self, but hmm.. a STS trait may be exploiting others for self benefit
(Torbj) itīs not like you can pick a course in school or schoose a pair of socks to were...
(IQx) S7L: i always pick out a piece here and there, and create sort of 'my standards' - I thought you noticed that before, hehe.
(Mary) Nancy, have you ever heard from Ron D.?
(S7L) The point is that an STS person sees no problem at taking advantage of others, while the STO will still respect another's good even if it amounted to some personal harm. How far you can go here is another issue. Just do what feels right -- it's as simple as that.
(S7L) IQx: mm, I guess.
(Clipper) I have and he is doing fine. Has his own place now.
(JoeyB) Has anyone noticed how strong the "polarization" is becoming in their workplaces, towns, etc?
(S7L) Hey Clipper :)
(Clipper) Mornin:-)
(Gerard) Mary: I don't think that's a discussion for this channel now.
(Zetapal) S7L ask me that (aka IQX)
(TerrorDactyl) Anyone wonder if they have had past lives?
(Gerard) Well if one looks around then it's noticable that the Transformation is going on.
(Nomis) Nancy: What where the mysterious Lights over Germany?
(S7L) TerrorDactyl: what! Never ever thought of that. Sarcasm
(Mary) Clipper: Thanks
(TerrorDactyl) No, I mean in detail.. what they were etc
(Torbj) Its of course not only mother Earth thatīs "moving along" with this planet coming in... we all are!
(TerrorDactyl) Are the planets in our system coming along to 4th density at the same time we do?
(IQx) If Earth is our uncle, and Nibiru is earth's brother, then Nibiru is our uncle! Hehe
(IQx) Earth is our mother
(Gerard) Nomis: they said it was the racket afterall, the debris felt down in Tibet or so. Even in a Dutch place folks saw it, a green ball with a tail.
(Spanky) Drunk uncle more like it
(Malakai) Nancy, how long are the hurricane winds expected ?
(Malakai) 3 days ?
(Clipper) I am my own Grampa:-)
(S7L) Malakai: the driving force for hurricane is the moving continents. You can expect a settling as soon as the driving force goes away with only local storms - will be bad of course but not worse than typical storms I'd hazard.
(NancyL) Terror, that's already in ZT, go read.
(Malakai) So not a long period then
(Lebrasse) I wish the aliens would drop the unconscious rule now we're so close! ;-)
(NancyL) Malakai, the HOUR of the shift is when the crust moves, water does not so much thus flood tides and sloshing over several hours or even days.
(S7L) Malakai: to be on the safe side I guess you would experience really shitty weather for a few days...
(Bulgaria) Debian interesen nick, kak ti hrumna? ;)
(JoeyB) There was a large sighting over Barvaria recently. May have been early debris.
(NancyL) I would think hurrican winds during the hour, mostly, then dropping to breezy.
(S7L) "Open are the double door of the horizon / Unlocked are its vaults / Coulds darken the sky / The stars rain down / Constellations stagger / Bones of the hell hounds tremble"
(Debian) Bulgaria ami ima edna operacionna systema s tova ime
(Malakai) Nancy, u say that solar power will not work well due to volcanic dust?
(TerrorDactyl) Nancy, have you heard of Robert Shapiro?
(Gerard) People noticed lights etc in Germany and also in some Dutch places ..last week for what I remember... But the same day also some parts of a racket would fell down on earth . So later on they said that that is what people saw. Debris falling down
(Zetapal) I think the statement "I'm spiritually immature", shows the person is being realistic and truthful with themself and whoever their talking too, and realism/truthfulness is a sign of maturity .. be the judge...if you need one...yeah
(NancyL) Lebrasse, me too, I even asked for this formally and had a hearing and a Zeta advocate, but didn't get my way :-(
(S7L) This nice piece of poetry has been uncovered from the ruins of City of Horizons, I understand, from the Akhnaten period.
(Torbj) LeBresse...the unconscious rule is something that you accepted when you incarnate to this 3D
(Bulgaria) Debian: bez maitap, ne sum 4uval za takava
(AndrewP) The question of it being unconscienable NOT to pass the ZT message along has given me much food for thought! And I must say thanks..
(NancyL) Malakai, how well do solar panels work on a cloudly day? Not well, so ...
(S7L) Even I have passed the word along a little despite I start by clarifying that it's scientifically very unfeasible.
(Sirgrim) Currently there are daily UFO reports going on in Australia, so the sightings are really on the increase as predicted ;D
(Nomis) Nancy: Can you say us something about the things that happen in Medjugorje?
(TerrorDactyl) Gonna go crop circle hunting soon, I live right near Stonehenge
(Malakai) I want to create an alternative energy supply for the aftertime, solar is not a good option ?
(AndrewP) But of course it IS scientifically feasible S7L
(S7L) AndrewP: sorry? Read my statement again.
(NancyL) S7L, I have noted on sci.astro lately, a new mode.
(AndrewP) Done S7L.! YEP
(NancyL) They say, "I think Nancy is crazy and all" as qualification and then start talking VERY DETAILED about Richter 15 quakes (whole earth) and the like.
(S7L) AndrewP: well, you said the opposite of my statement
(NancyL) Sure, they're in there talking about it because they think I'm crazy :-)
(AndrewP) Yes I know, S7L, I know, but its early morn here!
(S7L) NancyL: I have noted the discussion with high interest. I must say it intrigues me also.
(NancyL) But few want to say "I'm beginning to feel nervous about this and much of what she says makes sense" so they still excuse themselves.
(S7L) AndrewP: and that is related how? You are still dizzy? Or what?
(Gerard) The awakening is making progress. Some time ago I read about people seeing silver aliens or so .. What's the next thing we could expect, are the people on this world more open yet for more or?
(NancyL) I suspect those posting in my favor get horrendous nasty e-mail from the folks whose job it is to do this.
(Okidok) Hi Terror, maybe this year crop circles will disclose next year events?
(AndrewP) No, not dizzy, just seeking he right approach is all
(NancyL) Makakai, wind or water mills, best.
(S7L) AndrewP: heh. Then I must confess I understand even less
(Thunderoc) Nancy..part of being ahead of your that when people finally realize you were right...they will say it was obvious all the time.. :o)
(TerrorDactyl) Read that URL folks it confirms a pole shift
(S7L) NancyL: I don't think the conspiracy is that large as you seem to imply.
(NancyL) AndrewP, do we need to move an hour earlier? I asked once about the hour, what would be convenient for ALL participatns.
(Hellsing) I just want to meet an alien.
(S7L) There are definitely a few hard-core sceptics who have a downright oppressive tone, but in the main I find a high-quality detailed discussion done seriously, and I really like Mr. Jeff's posts.
(NancyL) Okidok, I think the crop circles have been doing this all along, but folks interpret them othewise.
(AndrewP) S7L: everyday I understand a liitle more, and the results speak for themselves
(Torbj) Hellsing... ask for it, and you will!
(Brian) Can we get the log of this session up a little faster?
(Vkuzma) Any particular reason why so little UFO activity goes on in Canada? Or am I just not looking in the right places for information on this?
(NancyL) Terror, could you give a short description of that site?
(Hellsing) Torbj. aslong as they don't hurt me :)
(S7L) AndrewP: I tend to understand even less, heh.
(TerrorDactyl), it confirms that scientists think the poles are about to flip
(S7L) TerrorDactyl: noticed the time scales?
(Malakai) No water for watermill, wind ok..any other sources for powerful electric generation cheap ?
(S7L) TerrorDactyl: noticed it's not a continental shift, just magnetic pole shift?
(JoeyB) There is a big Hollywood flick coming soon about Crop Circles!
(NancyL) S7L it does not take many folks to create a climate of debunking. On sci.astro, perhaps a dozen over the years!
(AndrewP) The more I know the more I learn about how Little I know, heh? How true is that old adage?
(S7L) TerrorDactyl: noticed that it's a very SLOW thing. "About" is about 2000 years or what?
(NancyL) Brian, no, 24 hours is a reasonable time, and I must work tomorrow!
(Brian) Ok
(NancyL) Terror, oh, they're working that magnetic flip for no reason theory.
(S7L) NancyL: mmh, truish, perhaps. However I see a number of posters who seem to post for right reasons, and are very open. Like I said, my kudos to those people. I think their presence makes the world a nice place to be :-)
(Spanky) The zetas probably consider Canada and the US as a single unit
(TerrorDactyl) It doesnt give a time scale it just says about to flip, no specific
(NancyL) Makakai, no, not many options.
(Brian) Nancy, has Robert Sepher talked to you yet about getting bandwidth?
(NancyL) JoeyB, really! Crop Circles! I hope is is not a big debunking thing.
(Malakai) Could the zetas show me an inexpensive way to make a nuclear fission generator ... please : )
(Lebrasse) What is your paid job Nancy ?
(S7L) TerrorDactyl: ok. I have seen a bigger article about this. The time scales are thousands of years. Not next year.
(Hellsing) Malakai lol
(TerrorDactyl) I have walked in many crop circles including the 409 circle milk hill one last year
(JoeyB) Nancy: The film is called "Signs". Due out in August - stars Mel Gibson.
(Karen) Mel Gibson in the Crop Circle movie
(NancyL) S7L, yes, like climate change and continental drift, so slow, and then they find otherwise!
(S7L) TerrorDactyl: and they nowhere imply a continental shift. They talk just reversal of magnetic poles. But anyway, it's indicative.
(Hellsing) Crop Circles were created by humans.
(S7L) NancyL: well, they do acknowledge it's not known how fast it can occur
(DavidS) Hellsing..not all of them...
(S7L) They state "if it goes on at this rate, then ..."
(Zetapal) You know how (a common search engine) puts together little pages of pre-assembled search results on certain topics? Well Feb11th they added a page on planet X and it briefly caps the whole planet x discovery/coverup/return along with a few links. Pretty mainstream acceptance of these ideas gaining speed and yes they mention 2003 but make it a point to say they don't know where that date comes from. This seems to be the trend.
(S7L) And give a figure in thousands of years.
(NancyL) Lebrasse, lower level now, I quit my good paying systems job and moved to the boonies.
(Hellsing) DavidS: maybe not
(Vkuzma) Spanky: so the sightings in the US are enough for Canadians and Americans? That's too bad. We need more sightings up here ;)
(AndrewP) I spotted a craft for the first time recently and it made me turn right around and examine so much of my previous conditioning. I had to see what I had refuted for so long
(Brian) Oh, one question not really related to anything but would give credit to the Zeta's. What isotope of element 115 is stable?
(JoeyB) We left Seattle and love the boonies!
(Brian) We have yet to discover it for some reason.
(NancyL) Brian, no discussion about 115 as you're not to know, etc.
(TerrorDactyl) I saw a brown boomerang shaped craft about 2 yrs ago - maybe 100 feet above my head
(NancyL) Getting close, so I'm about to start ...
(Hellsing) Will the aliens give me $500million
(Brian) Hehe, was worth a shot though.
(Zetapal) Parlour games - call David Blaine
(NancyL) The first Q I collected from the last chat, as it was asked during open session and I missed it, so collected it, etc.
(NancyL) A, B, C are different people at the last chat.
(NancyL) A. How do those so called accidents function that we all experience in our life?
(NancyL) A: That are not accidents :)
(NancyL) B: That things in life happen with a reason ..
(NancyL) A: For example if you meet somebody not planned but important, accidently.
(NancyL) C: Ah. That kind of thing. Coincidences.
(NancyL) A: I would like to ask, how these are arranged
(NancyL) ZT: Humans are in the main only subliminatlly aware of their contactee role.
(NancyL) ZT: They are also thus only subliminally aware of the other humans they meet during visitations.
(NancyL) ZT: As we have explained, many humans are meeting regularly during the visits with OTHER humans, planning their roles during the times moving into the shift, their roles during the shift itself, and in particular their roles in the Aftertime.
(Degradii) I have interesting information
(S7L) Degradii: please hold it until later
(NancyL) ZT: These roles are, as we hardly need mention, inter-related and coordinated by the contactees themselves and their alien visitors, as a team.
(Degradii) About 3 political murders
(Degradii) I think it connected to the greys
(NancyL) ZT: What sorts of activities might be planned? Prior to the shift, accidental meetings among humans who then become acquainted with each other in the conscious mode.
(IQx-Out) Degradii: I cannot open the document
(Degradii) What!
(Torbj) Hush!
(Gerard) Degradddi: not during the session, or during the answer.. And it's not related now , this is also for the others here .. no chatter during the anwer please
(NancyL) ZT: This facilitates later meetings when they will be conscious, as they will better recognize each other and not hesitate to work fully with each other.
(Degradii) How?
(Gerard) Hush
(Degradii) Got to go
(NancyL) ZT: During the shift, the roles are often involving guiding groups to safety, though many roles involve staying with those doomed to help them understand what has occurred.
(NancyL) ZT: During the shift, there will be attempts by the elite to prevent awareness of the coming changes until it is too late.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, a role during the shift might be leaking information, breaking this coverup with the truth.
(NancyL) ZT: The roles in the Aftertime will be diverse, depending upon skillsets and the climate the contactee is used to functioning in.
(NancyL) ZT: For instance, a contactee who is an eskimo might find life in the tropics of Alaska uncomforatable and NOT making best use of their skills.
(NancyL) ZT: They may be expected to arrive in suddenly frozen land, to help those surviving there understand HOW to proceed.
(Vha) Hey all could you open that site
(Clipper) No way :-)
(NancyL) ZT: Now, given this kind of volunteering and coordination, what might a contactee, unaware consciously of his status, expect?
(Gerard) Vha: hello not during the session please
(Gerard) Hush
(NancyL) ZT: They may find themselves in a book store, browsing books they have previously not had an interest in.
(NancyL) ZT: They may find themselves drawn, impelled, toward a particular location such as a park, on a certain day, and find themselves talking to an otherwise stranger as though a friend.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not an accident, this was a PLAN. BOTH contactees met, earlier, and deciding they needed to get consciouslhy aqainted so as to lessen time loss when the workload was upon them, made this plan.
(NancyL) ZT: BOTH determined the time and location, and BOTH set out that day to meet each other.
(NancyL) ZT: Should either get lost, or delayed, the other would get this message via their visitors, who are monitoring the meeting to assist and ensure it takes place.
(NancyL) ZT: These meetings are a desire of the HUMANS involved, who are in essence giving The Call to accomplish this, and thus assisting in this is quite in line with the rules on interference with human affairs.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(TerrorDactyl) How do you know if you have been assigned a role, what the role is?
(AndrewP) Nancy, can consciously remembered dreams that have a relationship to the ZT material be an accurate pointer to such subliminal understanding of roles to play or is this just subconscious autosuggestion?
(JoeyB) Very true! I met my partner "before" we met. I remember "dreaming" about how we would plan put the next few years and assist each other.
(Nomis) What you can say about the things that happen in Medjugorje? I mean the seeing of the Madonna!
(NancyL) ZT to Terror: Contactees KNOW their roles, as they are fully aware in their subconscious, which is connected to all brain parts except the conscious which is selective.
(Brian) Wow, a lot of those things seem to have happened to me, exactly, but no conciouse awareness, why the secretness?
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, if you sense in your gut that this is the case, trust your gut!
(NancyL) End ZT to Terror.
(ChiefSimi) How many people approximately, present here in this chatroom, are contactees?
(Gerard) So contactees can also arrange that they meet on IRC for example?
(Spanky) Why are aliens bothering with all this when they want the human race gone and out of the way?
(NancyL) Nomis, this is not on the Agenda, please send via the Contact Nancy e-mail route.
(TerrorDactyl) Are we all here tonight because we have a role?
(Gerard) Chiefsimi: maybe more then you think, maybe you are a contactee yourself without knowing you are.
(NancyL) Chief, per the Z's, better than 50%.
(Karen) So the Zeta's would be interfering to answer any questions about a persons memory concerning meetings?
(Gerard) Nancyl: :)
(Hellsing) This better not be a cult :)
(DavidS) I like the question of Terror dactyl - is it a reason why we all the people are here on IRC-chat?
(NancyL) Spanky, it's about soul development, and we are to live out our incarnation.
(ChiefSimi) :)
(NancyL) Also, why NOT work as team mates NOW?
(Torbj) If you are conssiosness about your self to quickly...and to soon...maybe you will "overdue" yourself?
(NancyL) OK, Next Q...
(Gerard) Hellsing: it ain't.. contactees doesn't mean cult members
(NancyL) My question is what was Bush doing going on tv and asking everyone to give 4,000 hours of service to he trying to keep everyone busy?
(Hellsing) Gerard: good :)
(NancyL) ZT: Anticipating a crashed economy and bewildered populace, the Bush Administration has a plan.
(Hellsing) I hope michigan is safe.
(NancyL) ZT: To the extent that money can be gen'd up and pumped into the economy, it will be done.
(NancyL) ZT: This includes lowering interest rates to banks, which has about reached it's limits.
(NancyL) ZT: This also includes such moves as extending the unemployment insurance time period, so that those unemployed can get checks for an extended period of time.
(NancyL) ZT: But what will occur when MANY companies go out of business, and the unemployed reach huge numbers, and bankrupcies are clogging the courts?
(NancyL) ZT: During the Great Depression, most banks failed but not all collapsed, as everyone pretended not to notice the failures.
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, bankruptcies were rampant, but why collect a farm or house or business if you cannot sell it?
(NancyL) ZT: The banks ignored the bankruptcy and failure to pay, the government ignored the essential failure of the bank, and later all pulled up and moved on.
(NancyL) ZT: In like manner, a long forgiveness and period of ignoring non-payment or insolvency may emerge.
(Mike Valley) The Zetas are not demons.. also the zetas are not angels
(NancyL) ZT: During the Great Depression, migration of the homeless seeking work occurred, with many given work that was paid for by a place to stay, shelter, or meals.
(NancyL) ZT: The barter system, at work.
(NancyL) ZT: The Bush Administration is an isolationist, elitist, group, and thus does not think of the man on the street so much as a human being as a pawn.
(NancyL) ZT: Pawns get moved about, and are not informed or asked their opinion.
(NancyL) ZT: The Bush Plan on what to do with many idle workers, who are asking intense questions about the state of the world, the condition of the globe, and why everything BUT the weather and rising seas are in the news, is to treat them like children, and assign them to parents and caretakers.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, churches are directed to take over charity efforts, as a source at first of government funds and later NO funds but the plan is for the children to go THERE with their hands out.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, unwed mothers among the lower classes are to wed the fathers of their children, as though having this on paper will result in responsible parenting when government services are stopped.
(NancyL) ZT: This is of course naive, silly, and if anything just giving those who are NOT providing information and are storing goods for themselves a conscience-salve.
(NancyL) ZT: A third maneuver is to gen up a citizen work force, like the Peace Corps but doing their good work locally.
(NancyL) ZT: In that those who are STO minded are already DOING work in keeping with their inclinations, what does this accomplish?
(NancyL) ZT: In that those in the Bush Administration would scarsely care to extend effort for the common man, unless ordered to do so, they are cannot imagine anyone in the populace doing this unless someone was coerced into the role.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, in the midst of what they hope will be a long running "War on Terrorism", they hope to find enough volunteers for their domestic Peace Corps who will feel COMPELLED by pressure from employers and church members that they will sign up for service.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus on the hook, it is the plan of the Bush Administration to say, when the time comes, "OK, we've got to go into our bunkers now, go look to your local Peace Corp volunteers for help" and ditch out.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(TerrorDactyl) This is a worldwide problem, so why do the Zetas only talk about America and its response? 90 per cent of the world are not americans!!
(Jeremy) Will earth changes exponentially increase by the end of this year?
(NancyL) Because the question was about the Bush plan.
(NancyL) Worldwide is coming next, also on the Agenda.
(S7L) And most of ZT followers are americans, so that's what gives the impression
(NancyL) Moving along,
(NancyL) 1. Any idea about the situation in the European countries before the shift occurs. Like those belonging to the EU? Reactions etc... Different laws, other goverment(s) as in the USA.
(NancyL) 2. What about the African issue. The service to Self aliens over there. Only a year left before the shift occurs .. Willl it also continue afterwards on that continent. or is there a change in sight for the coming months.
(Torbj) US is in 90% of the world.....
(NancyL) ZT: The issues facing the Bush Administration are not unlike those facing all other governments, except for certain awareness of the coming event.
(NancyL) ZT: With or without the inside track on Planet X and the potential of a coming pole shift, ALL governments are faced with the following concerns:
(NancyL) ZT: 1. When to tell. This involves determining with some degree of CERTAINTY that a pole shift, or even a close passage, will occur.
(NancyL) ZT: In that those countries, which are few, and in that those individuals in those countries aware, which are likewise a close group of small numbers, are NOT the majority of countries, MOST countries are hesitant to say anything.
(NancyL) ZT: Even in those countries where the leadership is aware, and watching the inbound planet increase in size in accordance with our predictions, they hesitate for the following reasons.
(NancyL) ZT: a) The orbit and path and speed of the inbound planet, per ourselves, the Zetas, are so outside of human understanding of astro-physics.
(NancyL) ZT: b) The argument that a WRONG warning can do more damage than waiting, keeps those who would issue a warning in check.
(NancyL) ZT: 2. What to tell. The issue of what a crust shift would mean, what direction, what speed, what impact on coast lines, is so much in doubt among scientists discussing this that the political leadership hardly knows what to say.
(NancyL) ZT: Should they just relay what ZetaTalk states? This results in so much heated debate that it never moves forward.
(NancyL) ZT: Since the leadership does not know what to say, in explaining what they EXPECT to happen, they cannot move forward and fall mum.
(NancyL) ZT: 3. What to advise. Even should the leadership of a country decide that they MUST say something in warning, and at least can explain the various theories about potential impact, they are left with the issue of what to advise.
(NancyL) ZT: Even good hearted leadership might be stymied if there is NOTHING the populace can do, in the main, to save itself.
(NancyL) ZT: What would the leadership of India say, for instance? You could leave the country but no one will take you, so prepare to die?
(NancyL) ZT: They feel their countrymen are already in this position, so why repeat the message.
(NancyL) ZT: What would the leaderhsip of European countries say? Invade your neighbor in the highlands?
(NancyL) ZT: This would be considered inciting war, or riot, and if the pole shift did NOT occur the person would have many regrets.
(NancyL) ZT: The bottom line is that unless a country has OPTIONS, and feels they might be able to support their citizens, they are unlikely to speak out at all.
(NancyL) ZT: In countries where the citizenship is scaresly aware of the outside world, little will thus be said.
(NancyL) ZT: Droughts or deluges, starvation, all will be treated as episodes have in the past, acts of God or Nature or whatever.
(NancyL) ZT: In Africa, starvation and dictators and savage competition for leadership will continue up to and through the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: After this, as we have predicted, decimation will occur due to the continual drizzle creating a climate suitable for the Ebola type viruses, which live in swamps.
(Freax) Im thinking we originated from this rock that's coming back
(Freax) And we were maybe thrown or grafted onto this planet
(NancyL) ZT: This will create such massive dieoff in Africa that in future, several decades forward, survivors wandering into this area or migrating there will think this a virgin land.
(NancyL) ZT: In South America, there are countries ruled by elite who scarsely care for their populace, and these will gradually change over death of those inclined toward STS and increasing incarnation of STO oriented spirits.
(NancyL) ZT: In constrast to the elite, most often from European and Nazi heritage, there are the local Indian cultures, which will grow in influence.
(NancyL) zT: Thus, several decades in the future, a new visitor to this continent will find the Indian cultures dominant, with tales of the prior savage leadership only a tale to be told.
(NancyL) ZT: In Australia, a similar progression will occur. Today, the ultra-right elite in England and Australia are planning survival at the expense of the common man.
(NancyL) ZT: These enclaves will gradually lose power, if not overtaken and decimated by internal wars, with those among the commoners prevailing over time in concert with the native Aborigines, who are mainly STO oriented.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, a traveler to Australia in furture decades will find a delightful mix of Aboriginnes and those of European or Asian deseent, living in STO communities.
(NancyL) ZT: In the Muslim countries which stretch out from India toward Africa, the descending cold will create great loss of life.
(NancyL) ZT: In the struggle for survival, the Muslim culture, in being male dominant and caring little for the children among them and into warring lately, will decimate the groups further.
(NancyL) ZT: In the end, unless a group from this culture escapes, in essence, they will not survive.
(NancyL) ZT: If STO oriented, they must separate from the main populace, which will end up with only a few men with guns, the lone survivors.
(NancyL) ZT: In that the land will support little, they will migrate toward more tropical areas, and integrate.
(NancyL) ZT: In the main, we expect those Muslim groups to end up in Africa, some decades hense, a direction we have advised.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(TerrorDactyl) When will my government in the UK tell its people of the passage, if at all?
(Nomis) Why will America strike agianst Iraq? Because we all will have problems next year, so why they will do this?
(Okidok) Nancy, do you think most of the worlds goverment and leadership is fully aware of what is going to happen next year?
(Torbj) It will only take one countryīs leadership to tell... and then the rest of the world will get it also... but probably without getting into the big news..
(DavidS) What kind of governments/leadership(countries) in Europe do know about Planet X/Nibiru and follow its path and are aware of pole-shift? England? Scandinavia?Russia? Germany? France?
(Kirk) What do the bush administration have planned in regard to the middle east?
(NancyL) Terror, I think the Z's are saying, they will NOT hear at all, as your leadership intends to ditch out to AU.
(Sirgrim) Red mercury bombs have been in the news alot lately, I think the US is about to get struck.
(NancyL) Nomis, this is only sabre rattling, a distraction, and unlikely to go full blown.
(Torbj) Blair and Bush are pals... so Blair Iīll guess..
(KyleKushman) Would a suicide bomber who claims to be killing Jews to help save their people be considered STO or STS?
(NancyL) Okikod, Z's answered this a few weeks back, only Big 5, and others aware only by rumor.
(RobH) Yeah, anything the zetas have on this red mercury nuke threat?
(Gerard) Davids: it was answered on time, France, England, and Germany are in the know in Europe for what I remember?
(NancyL) Torbj, there are leaks now, just ignored by the news, etc. and Internet will be THE mode of information flow, yes.
(Spanky) Won't South America be overtaken by diseases, as it is a rain forest similar to Africa?
(Lebrasse) Big 6 (US, Russia, UK, Japan, France, Germany)
(DavidS) Thanx, Gerard
(AndrewP) Add Australia to that!
(NancyL) England for sure, Germany probably, Russia for SURE, Scandinavia not, I think.
(Jeremy) When will Earth changes exponentially acceleate to a point that an announcement will be demanded?
(NancyL) Kirk, just a lot of "the wolf is at the door!" kind of distraction. Trying to made a new enemy.
(Freax) Hey I live in australia =P
(JoeyB) Kyle: STO would not bomb anyone. Would try to unite.
(NancyL) Kyle, a complicated Q and each indiviual may be STO or STS depending!
(Spanky) France hasn't been a leader for more than half a century. And russia has descended to 3rd world squalor. Wouldn't Canada and Scandanavia outrank them?
(Gerard) So in the main, it's up to the citizens of those countries that can't tell to tell the others about it.. It's up to us
(NancyL) I don't think STS do that kind of thing, though, at ALL.
(NancyL) Only self pleasure measures, and blowing oneself up is not that.
(S7L) What kind of service-to-self is there
(S7L) Yeah exactly :-)
(Vinka) Russians? yeah... sure... billboard of "planet of ceramic tiles"... heh....
(KyleKushman) I figured that, but even if they truly believe they are doing it for others... Just a thought I've been pondering
(S7L) Could be some kind of conclusion if it retained honour or name even if one was dead though
(NancyL) Spanky, they don't have Ebola naturally, there. in SA
(Spanky) But they probably have ones we don't know about.
(KyleKushman) Nancy: gotcha, thanx
(NancyL) Jeremey, JFK details were demanded, and ignored! It's still the single bullet explanation!
(Jeremy) Thx, but when can we expect things to get really bad? Early 2003?
(NancyL) There are a couple other Q's, which I'll quickly address: Will list both.
(NancyL) 1. Nancy, if the world govt (united nations) is prepared for PX, are they a threat to the survivors, since they would likely have weapons and aircraft under Denver, Colorado?
(NancyL) 1. Is bush really that dumb/confused or is it all an act and he is a machiavellian schemer like his father?
(NancyL) 2. Why is Dick Cheney chosen to lead? Is it because of his heart condition, that they need someone with nothing to lose? Is it because they could eliminate him with no questioning at all (artificially induced heart attack)
(Jeremy) Earth changes are not disrupting daily life yet
(Jeremy) But they are proceeding
(NancyL) ZT: A prior plan to use the UN to facilitate survival of the elite in the US and elsewhere has failed.
(NancyL) ZT: This plan, much the talk of conspiracy buffs, involved placing parklands in the US into UN hands, and staffing these with soldiers foreign to the US.
(NancyL) ZT: The logic was that these soldiers would not hesitate to use guns upon US citizens, or even US solders gone rogue.
(NancyL) ZT: However, they proved difficult to manage, with many agendas and differing cultures dictating responses, so those who would be their masters became discouraged.
(NancyL) ZT: Regarding the elite, and who they pull into their ranks and ally with.
(NancyL) ZT: In the main, the elite groups ally with those ALREADY in the know, and who have a track record of being a staunch ally.
(NancyL) ZT: This is not unlike the decisions each family head will make, when times get tense.
(Hellsing) What if nothing happens next year
(NancyL) ZT: Whom do they plan to include in a survival group, and invite?
(NancyL) ZT: Who can they trust? Who do they know from long experience to be solid, and true to their word, and reliable?
(Okidok) Hellsing, if so we are blessed and can go on further with our lives
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, toward the end, those with strengh are UNLIKLY to ally with strangers, but with those they know.
(Hellsing) Yay
(Mike Valley) Ashtar rules
(NancyL) ZT: Packing together at the last minute, among strangers, is more likely to be among the weak, those with no other choice.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(Brian) Does Bush know about Zeta-talk? Why doesn't he listen to the part about death coming to STS?
(KyleKushman) Jeremy: not disrupting daily life? US E. Coast is in worst drought on record...Rockland County is making a decision on filtering water that comes from the toilets and turning it into drinking water
(Nomis) What if nothig happens next year?
(NancyL) Brian, Bush is a puppet, and these types are terribly arrogant!
(NancyL) THEY know best, etc.
(Jeremy) Kyle: I post these articles on tt-watch. But things are still not that bad yet
(Brian) Well the people that control him then.
(KyleKushman) Bush is so smug it pisses me off
(Matt) Last 7 weeks surely will be the real uptick as PX enters system?
(Matt) Still near dither point
(Thunderoc) In the prairies in Canada.. wells are drying up... water has to now be trucked in... ground is so dry it crunchs...
(NancyL) Matt, yes, last 7 weeks will be very interesting times.
(KyleKushman) When I see him on TV trying to act like a man in power it disgusts me, he's such a phony
(NancyL) Well, its been an hour, and for me (as I was such a dummy about daylight savings time), who came early, more than 2 hours.
(Okidok) Brian, Bush is only familiar with topics that can give him more credits to go on and play the world ruler.
(Matt) He's not even a very convincing puppet...
(NancyL) So I'm off and away, will put the log up tomorrow morning as I don't go to work until closer to noon.
(KyleKushman) Thanx Nancy
(Freax) KyleKushman: actually the view of power is your perception of it
(AndrewP) Questions have a way of revealing answers. Thanks Nancy and ZT:)
(Thunderoc) Thank you Nancy and Zeta's!
(NancyL) Thank you all for attending and providing a good agenda!
(NancyL) By all, and see you next week if you come :-)
(Gerard) Thank you Nancy and the zetas, it was a good session
(KyleKushman) Night all
Session Close: Sat Apr 13 18:07:36 2002